I don't know anything about hybrids. Is the charging done while the car is running or sitting at home, like an EV? I wonder what the MSRP will be. 600+ miles on a tankful is a big reason to consider this car as long as the price isn't too steep.

 

Just like a Toyota Prius...they charge while driving. There is nothing to plug in. A plug in hybrid (PHEV) is a very different animal from a basic hybrid. A PHEV is not a great option IMPO. Since Toyota own 20% of Subaru and shares Toyota technology, the standard hybrid powertrain should be excellent.

 

If I’m understanding the info in the link correctly…

“The e-motors are, like Toyota’s, housed in a single unit. There’s a traction motor and a generator, sandwiched together along with an electronically controlled coupling. The motors can generate a total of 88kW (118 hp) and can be the primary propulsion in many situations. They draw from a 1.1-kWh lithium ion battery.”

A 1.1 kWh battery doesn’t provide much storage at all.

I’m wondering if that’s a misprint…

 

@FelineFreddie A hybrid vehicles does not need or warrant anything "BIG"/powerful battery. 1.1 kWH is more than adequate for a hybrid vehicle to get the vehicle moving and maybe down the road about 1/4-1 mile and then then the gasoline engine kicks. Depending on the efficiency of the vehicle, it may only consume 3.5miles/kWH or less.

 

Hybid news, will these new 2024 Crosstrek hybrid specifications mirror the hybrid Forrester?

If you are persistent and google trying to limit responses to strictly Japanese content, you can find videos of a recent press event showcasing the Crosstrek “strong hybrid” to be released in Japan in December 2024. If you follow this youtube link you will find an enthusiastic video reviewer showing off the new “Strong Hybrid” Crosstrek. If you watch the video on a laptop rather than a mobile device you can enable subtitles, and have them translated into broken English.

I used google translate and various torque and kw to hp converters and came up with these stats for the new Crosstrek hybrid shown in jpeg of a table comparing the new strong hybrid to the older version available outside North America.

Engine output 160 hp.
Engine torque. 154 lb-ft
Motor output. 120 hp.
Motor torque. 199 lb-ft.
Battery type. Lithium ion.
Battery capacity. 1.1 kwh

Does the lowered horsepower to 160 of the 2.5 liter engine mean that Subaru has modified the engine to become Atkinson cycle to become a more efficient electric generator? On a cautionary note, the torque and horsepower numbers should not be added together because the design of the drive train. The totals have not been released yet

From pictures on the videos, the battery will take up all the spare tire and most of foam storage space under the cargo floor, but the floor will not be raised. Obviously, no spare tire, and the instrument cluster is all electronic.

 

G'day & Welcome @Dhuckabee

Could you please update your Public Profile; vehicle details at least; thanks. For detail instructions pls refer: https://www.subaruforester.org/threads/your-forum-public-profile-how-to-fill-this-out.824165/

 

C&D is confirming that the Forester Hybrid will share the 1.1 kWh battery system with the Crosstrek Hybrid: https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a63274206/2025-subaru-forester-hybrid-confirmed/

 

Will the Forester have more power overall is what I am interested in.

I currently have a 2018 XT and if the Forester receives more power (it would need to be closer to what I have currently), then I would be interested, otherwise nope.

 

I currently have a 2018 XT

My 2018 XT was written off earlier this year and I seriously considered moving away from Subaru because of the discontinuation of the XT. But after several months with the 2025, I find that there are lots of improvements elsewhere in the car, and it's just more comfortable and ergonomic overall, updated and modern, and I don't really miss the power. I've driven over the Rocky Mountains in the winter with the 2025, and it works fine even without the turbo at high elevations and steep inclines.

 

I doubt a 1.1 kWh battery is going to add much punch…

 

Agreed. Very little if any difference at all is what I anticipate based on what I've read.

 

Power level won't be anywhere close to a SJ FXT, even combined with electric motors.

 

Is there any advantage to the Subaru hybrid other than for short distance stop and go which eliminates the need for the engine stop/start system? For those who don't drive in heavy traffic, it seems like a lot of complexity for little benefit.
If you are stuck in city traffic often OTOH...

 

Actually, I wonder if there’s much of an advantage at all, considering the added weight and complexity that goes with a hybrid.

However, I’ve not studied the specs at all, so there may be things I’m not seeing in the design.

 

The Toyota-style power-split hybrid architecture is hard to beat.

Seems Subaru has packaged these elements into a symmetrical AWD gearbox.

This is super compelling to me because instead of the Chain-CVT, it will now be a power-split electric CVT which I would expect to be more reliable.

 

I seem to recall an interesting recent article about a geared CVT which was in early prototype stages built initially for a bicycle... Are you perhaps confusing the power split with the geared CVT, which AFAIK is still in the early stages of development?

 

Are you perhaps confusing the power split with the geared CVT, which AFAIK is still in the early stages of development?

Me? No. Not confused.

A power-split is able to have continuous ratios because of the plantary gearset and two motors.

 

I agree with @J_Westy, I would expect the Forester Hybrid model to be similar to or an evolution of the previous Crosstrek Plug-In Hybrid utilizing what is essentially a Toyota derived e-CVT from the HIghlander Hybrid, integrated into a Subaru transmission case while still having the mechanical Subaru AWD system.

 

Is the strong hybrid system described as coming this fall in the Crosstrek the exact same as in the coming Forester (and Outback)? Total output (196 hp) seems a little shy, especially as compared with the next model of Toyota's RAV-4 (219+ hp). You'd think they'd juice it up a bit for the Forester and Outback.

 

Hybrid discussion here please: https://www.subaruforester.org/threads/2025-subaru-forester-hybrid-revealed.865163/