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Subaru Debuts ALL-NEW 2025 Forester! (merged thread)

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New Features:
  • Ventilated Seats!!!! (touring only)
  • kick controlled Hands free lift gate
  • 19 inch wheels on Sport and Touring (Blah!!!)
  • 360 Camera System
  • Very little change to drive-train. Though hybrid will come later. No mention of turbo ICE.
  • Improved seat comfort and a quieter cabin ("concentrated effort on sound dampening")
  • wireless phone charger standard (like crosstrek)
  • Instrument cluster is same as the 2024 Crosstrek. I just adds back the analog temp and fuel gauges.
  • No mention of the smart rearview mirror, but it is there in the pictures for the touring.
  • No power folding mirrors.
  • black headliner appears standard design now. Not just Wilderness
  • No mention of Wilderness, but I expect that to come in a few months before this releases.
Overall, I think it is VERY VERY close to the same body/size. Lots of things look almost exactly the same.
 
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zachavm said:
  • 19 inch wheels on Sport and Touring (Blah!!!)
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Honestly, I feel that my 18" tires/wheels don't give enough sidewall flex when I drop the air pressure for beach driving. I was going to move to 17" with thicker tires to compensate.

@FozzieBalou - I could see a market for a tailpipe cover. ,made of a metal grid, to match the left side dummy panel.
 
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I've been saying this for a while, but I expect the new hybrid to offer equivalent power to the existing 2.4L Turbo. If so, it will become their "more power" option for the Forester IMHO.

Tire size is slightly bigger. 235/50R19 vs the old size of 225/55R18

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The 2015s also came out in the Spring (of 2014) and were then the “current” model for some 18 months, until the 2016s arrives in Autumn 2015.

That may happen again with these 2015s. It also may portend more running changes as the model year progresses, as also happened with the 2014-15 models.
 
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Black21Limited said:
A side by side torque graph would be a better comparison. Possibly the '25 has slightly more torque and will have better low end/midrange power.
A difference of 2 peak hp could be pretty insignificant.
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The adage "Torque wins races on Sunday... Horsepower sells cars on Monday" still applies..
Especially to the uninformed.. ;)
Of course the torque vs horse comparison evaporates with electrics which Subaru has stated they will be headed that way.. Sometime..

Probably the most significant 2025 Foz change is not yet available, and that will be pricing.
Maybe be just a bit more.
 
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Other notes. The touring's styling is MUCH updated. Virtually no chrome anywhere on the vehicle. FINALLY!!!

Not a fan of the low profile roof rack. I'm guessing it will have a MUCH reduced capacity and compatibility. You will probably need to buy their first party rails. We shall see though.
 
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Some of us may like chrome or shiny trim bits... and not just a highly polished metallic black plastic.

I'm still reserving final judgement until I can see it in the flesh (well, the sheet metal) but I'm not a fan (as mentioned in other posts and threads)... It's just getting a bit too generic and losing some Subaru specificness....

One really odd design faux pas is the way that the rear tail lamps do not line up with the other design features of the rear hatch panel....

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Looks like swapping out trim from a different year that just doesn't fit...

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FozzieBalou said:
Some of us may like chrome or shiny trim bits... and not just a highly polished metallic black plastic.

I'm still reserving final judgement until I can see it in the flesh (well, the sheet metal) but I'm not a fan (as mentioned in other posts and threads)... It's just getting a bit too generic and losing some Subaru specificness....

One really odd design faux pas is the way that the rear tail lamps do not line up with the other design features of the rear hatch panel....

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Looks like swapping out trim from a different year that just doesn't fit...

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They are currently preproduction models. That's why no YouTubers have driven them.
 
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The irony of all the "I want a turbo" "why don't they have a turbo?" comments is ... lost.

Subaru DOES have a Turbo - 2 of them actually - in the US market: the Ascent and the Outback XT models. And those are no huge sales juggernauts. Instead, the majority of Outback models sold look to be the 2.5 non-turbo.

Which is the same thing that was happening with the SJ generation Forester and led to a drop for the SK generation, and a reason for not bringing it back in the next generation. There is a very small market for a turbo model in the Forester in the US markets. I don't have the JDM sales figures but chances are that the 1.8 turbo in the Forester there is probably not huge seller either.

Mazda has a Turbo because Mazda is a very small automaker and can take on a low volume selling model for the same reason you find some small craft beer and ale brewers that make special brews that gather some interest but never reach the market impact of a Michelob Ultra or a Guinness ale. Toyota could offer a turbo RAV4 (but they don't) because it's not where they see a sales boon. So they instead offer up different levels of hybrid models. Honda and Ford don't really count in this type of a discussion because those turbo models are geared towards economy by taking a small displacement motor and boosting to competitors n/a power levels and get good/better MPGs. Hyundai or Kia could offer a turbo but it would be much in the Mazda mode...

I'm not saying that there is not a market for a turbo, but for most SUV buyers (and a lot of Subaru buyers) the turbo is not needed nor wanted. They'd much rather see the forthcoming promised Hybrid.
 
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FozzieBalou said:
The irony of all the "I want a turbo" "why don't they have a turbo?" comments is ... lost.

Subaru DOES have a Turbo - 2 of them actually - in the US market: the Ascent and the Outback XT models.
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WRX makes three models with turbo, but it isn't just about the turbo.

I've driven a '21 Outback XT and the owner of the Outback XT has driven my '15 Forester XT (when it had a stock suspension). We both agree that the Outback doesn't handle nearly as nice. I mean, it's a nice car but the longer wheelbase makes it lethargic and unresponsive by comparison.

The Ascent is simply too big. Lots of baggage comes with that including poor mileage, poor handling and so forth.

Meanwhile, the Mazda CX-5 turbo/AWD fills the space that the Forester XT used to fill.

The Forester is just another boring SUV.
 
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@LeRM They brought back the analog fuel and temp gauge on the Crosstrek too so I was expecting it here. Glad they are doing it. This means there will be a persistent digital speed on the instrument cluster display rather than taking up a spot in the info you cycle through. Way better, but I still wish it was a full digital cluser like the Japanese Levorg.
 
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I'm pretty impressed with all the features they brought to this. Other than a power option that we hopefully get with the hybrid, it was just about everything on my wish list. It also makes me excited to see what the Outback will bring since I'm sure they will want to differentiate it from the Forester.
 
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I do like several of some of the new festures like wireless Apple Car Play.

I noticed that the rear spoiler was painted the same as the body colour, which makes it more curious that the 2024 Foresters (except the Wilderness) are all black.
 
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