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Found myself pathetic in the mud!

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#1 · (Edited)
Hi guys,

I have bought the Forester specifically to drive up a hill with the hangglider on the roof - beats carrying the stuff up on my back!

Last weekend I have miserably failed to take the upslope. Here's the story:

The farmer said he doesn't mind me attempting to drive up, but had seen the tires (half worn HT road ones) and doesn't think they will make it - so I should be careful to not end up in a ditch or upside down when I slip. On a chunky tires (points to his landrover) - no problem, if you know what you're doing. No problem if the ground is dry. But these tyres I have won't work with the half-saturated soil he has at the moment. And there are other challenges up there - a RangeRover had bottomed out with front wheels in a ditch a few weeks earlier.

So, cautiously I went for it, because just the thought of carrying 40kg of gear on my back for a mile and 500ft climb makes me tired!

Sure enough, I had a good start where the ground is fairly hard and the gradient not too steep - although no-2wd already, and hardly possible without Lo-ratio. Then it got a wee bit steeper and a wee bit muddier, and the wheels have spinned and I stopped for a moment and slid back down.

Backing down on the brakes has been a little "interesting" because I have somehow managed to engage a handbrake, but eventually I made it. And then - AGAIN - carried the gear up on my back, to have a lovely day's flying.


Still, that "going up the hill with the glider" was the primary objective of buying an AWD vehicle with a locking central diff, Hi-Lo ratio, half-decent clearance and less-than-ideal mpg. Ok, I love Subarus since I had the Impreza Turbo, and I do love the Forester, but with my current budget I do need an excuse to have a 4x4! Vast majority of my driving goes on tarmac and I love the handling and fun, but every once in a while I do need to drive up and down that freaking hill - that's my excuse!


So, started to think what I can do, how much a set of mud-throwing tyres would cost, whether they will be worse on road, whether I want to have them just for the flying days and swap over every time I go flying (and they'd need to be on their own rims of course)....


Then, last night, I've had an idea that seemed brilliant at 2am:new_multi:

WHY DON'T I BUY A SET OF TYRE CHAINS TO PUT ON WHEN I REACH THE FARM?! Ok, these are called "snow chains" and I'm dealing with mud, not snow - but it seems to eliminate most of mud tyres problems - expence, compromised(?) road performance, noise...

Now, the question is - any problems with the chains on the mud?

Has anyone tried it?

And which chains are the ones to buy unless you're talking me out of it?

...apologies for making you read so much, take your revenge in lengthy replies if you like :icon_rolleyes:
 
#2 ·
Using only one set of chains will most likely end up damaging your centre diff !

With some guys from a local Subaru club we were using two sets on all 4 wheels on a snow slope, but never tried it in the mud. Altough it seems the same, mud is much much harder to drive on. It will stick on the chains, make them heavier, so they will break at slower speed as if driving on snow...

My advice is if a set of good mud tires doesn't work, just don't go there...
 
#78 ·
The manual specifically suggests using one set of chains in the front. Otherwise you'll damage the diff.

Also, have you tried starting in second gear? Apparently it makes the ratio of power 50:50 front to back.
 
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#4 ·
Find £1000 - £1500, scan ebay and buy a landrover discovery diesel.
Thats what my brother in law did. Used his scoob in the week and a w/ends he used the Landrover to go fishing.
I think thats the best way forward. Unless you fancey swapping wheels over every weekend.

Andy
 
#6 ·
RR bottomed out because, as the farmer suggested, he didn't quite know what he was doing.

I don't think I'll be lifting her, as loading the glider on the ladder lying on the roof bars is already near the top of my reach - got to stand on the wheels to tie it up, etc.

AT tyres - that sounds more serious, which ones will get through the mud to the hard surface, and at the same time will behave decently on the road?


As for buying a landrover as second car - no, not another insurance policy to pay! Besides, driving to the hill is a tarmac job, and usually gets done in a hurry! The plan is to go there after work sometimes as well.
 
#7 ·
I looked at getting chains for mud use a couple of years ago. I decided not to for various reasons and eventually got AT tyres instead. But FWIW Subaru advises chains be put on the front wheels only. I don't know if they'd even fit on the back. If you're using them off road there will be plenty of slip - you're thinking of chains because there's too much slip now, remember - so the centre diff won't even notice.
 
#8 ·
Thanks Sheepish, I'm gradually getting inclined to buy ATs :(

GG AT2 seems to get good reviews here.

Can anyone comment on their (or other ATs) road performance? grip-mpg-noise-handling?

How good are GG AT2 at reaching the hard stuff under the grass and muddy soil?
 
#9 ·
Ceneral Grabber AT2 experience


Hi
I am one of the first in the forum putting GG AT2 on
MY 2003 X. I had 205/75/15s for 2 years. Good on rock and gravel so and so on mad and snow. Unreasonably noisy on the tarmac. Very fast wear out though.

http://img186.imageshack.us/my.php?image=77j80021ke1.jpg

Now I have Toyos AT Open Country, much less aggressive looking but no noise, much better in mud and snow and very good handling on the tarmac.
I have them for 6 months and I love them.

http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=811c0130jf5.jpg

http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=81jc0134cv2.jpg
 
#11 ·
i'm running the AT2s, only had them for a few months tho. I don't run them on pavement much (keep a set of all seasons on my stock alloys), but I don't think they're that noisy... Not great in deep mud, but far better than all seasons (they aren't a mud tire, so you can't expect them to be unstoppable in the deep stuff).

I looked at the Toyo's as well, but stuck with the AT2s since I was running a second set of tires. Either one will be much better than what you have now!
 
#12 ·
You might want to try a 2nd set of wheels with a set of either mud or snow tires on them. Snow tires can be had pretty cheap (the cheap ones are usually the ones that will be better in mud, not the higher performance versions). You want something with a pretty open tread design. There aren't too many mud tires available that can fit the forester. If you're going to be using these primarily in mud and tarmac, I wouldn't really suggest the AT2. A decent new set of all season tires might even work if they have an aggressive enough tread design. If you can find a set of chains/cables cheap enough I would try them out and see how well they do, it's worth a try and will be cheaper than buying a full set of tires.
 
#24 ·
Theres a bridgestone MT in nearly the stock circumference, but it's for a 15" wheel unfortunately. Theres also a super swamper radial that -may- fit on a 15" wheel on a forester, but would probably need some lift and fender rolling to work well. I want someone to remold some stock size all seasons in an MT tread pattern!
 
#23 ·
Tire Pressure

Another Option if you go for ATs is to lower the pressure from 30 to 20 but you have to re inflate them as soon as you get out of the mud. No need to say that any rocks in the mud will be a problem for you.
Regarding Mud in 205 70 15 there are some types of retreaded tires from a company called FEDIMA very popular in Greece especially for competition (trail, endurance, etc)

http://www.fedima4x4.com/fmud.html

but I have no idea if you can find them in your place.
Dennis
 
#30 ·
Thanks! Sounds like Revo's/694's are the way to go - that's good 300 quid off my pocket =:eek:

I have had a look at a Toyo tyres of a wrong size - been curious to see and touch one. The thread pattern looked ideal for the mud but a little weak for tarmac - suppose it would wear fairly quickly...
 
#33 ·
Yes, there is a good 25% discount involved. Still 300 quid is 600 USD!

Now as I have made very much noise on this forum, I'm going to keep quiet until I get the tires and attempt going up that freaking hill again!


Thanks for the advice guys!
 
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