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Hey there OP...glad you're still with us. I haven't researched the details of the Bronco Sport but am a longtimer on the Ford Truck Enthusiasts page...and actually have my own spy photos of a Bronco Sport in camo, within the same week they hit the press :) (I-94 in the Detroit area.) I would give the Bronco Sport a year or so and with the "big" Bronco sold out for the full 2021 model year into 2022, I'm betting that prices will be high.

For now, take a look at the RAV4 Adventure model*edit--I think there is a RAV4 TRD Off Road Model*, or hang around and wait for the Wilderness Subarus although my gut tells me it will be primarily a trim package. I would be surprised if they offered even all-terrain tires but we'll see.
 
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While we're going off-topic (a bit? maybe not as we're still talking about Foresters!)...

I think that Subaru is finally starting to realize the "softroad" community exists and is a viable market to chase - at least for a while. Until sales fall away and the "softroad" Forester goes the way of the XT...

Remember, of course, what Subaru USED to be - a fairly competent "foul-weather" vehicle for use in the snow belt and PNW - they were solid, reliable and got good mileage and were able to handle just about any driving condition. The off-road/soft-road market has only recently become a "thing" - last 10 years or so. While there were some that made their Subaru AWDs into soft-roaders and this market has really begun to gain traction (pun intended) in the past few years, it's now a market that Subaru is actively courting. One merely needs to see the current advertising and marketing for the Crosstrek and (to a smaller extent) the Outback.

Subaru is seeing that the Forester is a better vehicle for some (many) opposed to the Crosstrek (too small, too underpowered) or the Outback (too long, too "old-Buick-wagon") and the Forester is a better alternative to the Jeep Compass and Cherokee models and (to a lesser extent) the 4Runner... In the leaked sales/marketing plans for SoA over the next few years (was all over the board a month or two ago) there IS a plan for a "Foresty" Forester - some package for the Foreste (and the Outback) that should appeal to the more outdoorsy shoppers. I think it is/was planned for release sometime next year as a 2022 model before the next generation (SL?) would be released in 2023 or 2024. Of course, now with COVID, all those release dates may be off...

Agreed, the orange trim bits on the Forester Sport may not be the most "sporty" but it was something to make the Sport unique beyond the black wheels (which are so common in the SUV markets)... It was something to make it "look" different from a Limited (same wheels, just shiny)... It was something.

As for the colors - not all of us spend all our days off-the-beaten-track and do a fair amount of life on-road... As such, some really DO want those fancier colors... Personally, I love my Marine Blue Pearl (2014 Limited) and don't find that to be a detriment to off-road use. Nor do I find my "platinum" leather interior color to be a bad choice. And for me, it's a much better choice than the black (or charcoal) interior from other colors and the XT - as I live in the desert southwest where a dark interior turns your vehicle to a rolling oven 3 or 4 months of the year.

The "desert khaki" paint from the Crosstrek did not seem to be too popular (iirc) and was gone in a generation. It looked rather bland and had no style - to many at least.

And agreed - image is everything (or at least pretty damn important)... wasn't it Billy Crystal (a la Fernando) that sang "to look good is to feel good" and that looks are "it"...? But we need to recall that for every Forester buyer that is interested in a more off-road capable Forester, there are many more that just DO want that mall-crawler SUV with good economy, stellar safety and an affordable price-point for their daily commute and being around town in Massachusetts, Maine and Vermont or Oregon, Washington and Idaho.

But there is a market for those "tougher" looking Foresters (and Bronco and Bronco Sport) models with more off-road appearance and equipment modifications from the factory. The Bronco is - at least at this point - garnering a lot of interest from the "retro" buying group - the same group that made the PT Cruiser such a hit 20 years ago and continued to sell pretty damn well 10 years later... And also the VW Beetle and Chevy SSH and HHR and the Prowler - a niche market for sure.

Not sure if Subaru is a big enough manufacturer to chase a niche market any longer. Subaru is in a middle place right now - still small enough to keep certain aspects of their past in their present and future - and yet not quite large enough to follow limited market places (like an XT Turbo). They continue to find many buyers - across all the products - and continue to grow in sales and market share, but then need to still keep those core aspects - safety, economical operation and all-weather capability and reliability (overall) while still branching out to find new markets (like the outdoorsy set going camping and soft-roading) without compromising their primary market.

Just like Ford is doing with the Mustang Mach-E - they're compromising their primary market (the sporty car shopper) to add an cross-over like e-vehicle to their product line - to take a successful nameplate and use it to promote a new unproven model... That goes back to the 50s and 60s when you'd have one model name (like Ford Galaxie or Chrysler Newport or Dodge Polara) cover the cheapie economy model to the top line luxo boat. The original New Yorker was an offshoot of the Newport...

now I'm really going to the weeds.
All a Forester REALLY needs is a BETTER approach angle and a rated front recovery point. PLEASE!!
 
I started looking to compare these two models as well the other day. We have a 2019 Forester Sport with no plans of getting rid of it though. I want to say we got it for around 28k...give or take, and the BrocoSport is a good 3-6k over that, until we see if there are any discounts, though, it's brand new so I doubt it.

The wheel base is exactly the same as us, but it is wider (i assume in body and track), and taller BUT the B.S. (lol) is way shorter with less cargo and passenger volume. I think it is around 10" shorter overall and that is a deal killer for me right away.

About the only thing it has going for it in my book, is that it looks like a tiny defender which is pretty cool, and it can be had with 29" tires from the factory. But we can go 28.5" without a lift...that's actually my only gripe about the Forester Sport, the wheel and tire choice was terrible. We're about to drop to 17" and get new tires as well.
 
While the ground clearance of the Forester and Bronco Sport are about the same, the approach angles are different making the Bronco Sport much more capable off road.
Bonus for the Sport will be no CVT. My Sport will be built in a couple of weeks, hope to be able to pick it up mid December. If it drives well and I decide to purchase you'll find my 18XT Touring with 12k miles in the classified section.



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I had not given approach and departure angles a thought but the spec I found on our 2017 Foz shows 23 approach, 25 departure, and 21 breakover...so the stock Foz has a better breakover than the Bronco Sport in either of the latter's guises. I'd bet with removal of the front spoiler you could get the approach angle to be better. A slight tire upsize would also help out the Foz. The limit with both of these vehicles is breakover angle which is a function of wheelbase and ground clearance at the low belly point.

I think I remember an 18" water fording spec on the Foz circa 2017.

The real hero of clearances will be the 2 door short wheelbase "big" Bronco with the huge factory wheel/tire setup.
 
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Wbdubya, are you getting the badlands version then? It’s the one with similar ground clearance and upgraded suspension.

Yo YoGeorge, I tried out the Adventure model of the RAV4. Interior is a not my thing. Too many fake tire treads everywhere. Like the seats were made from some roadkill animal with cloth for hide. And sooo expensive. I guess I can no longer pay for a little bit of off-road ability when the base forester seems to give it to you for free. At this point it just come down to wanting to pay extra or not. If I end up forking out more money, I’d get the badlands.
 
I don't have a question about the Foz being an impressive vehicle and it's more than I need for Michigan snow, rough campground trails and access roads. Our '17 Premium was a great bargain and is my wife's assigned daily driver. Putting some slightly larger all-terrain tires and maybe a couple skidplates on it would cost a grand or a bit more and at that point I'd be willing to do some pretty stiff trail stuff. Maybe a 2" lift kit if I wanted to do a bit more yet off road while sacrificing some road handling. Good luck, G
 
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Wbdubya, are you getting the badlands version then? It’s the one with similar ground clearance and upgraded suspension.
@PoleDancer I have a First Edition on order which is one step up from the Badlands with the Badlands package. I also have a reservation (Ford only requires a $100 refundable deposit) in for a 2 door full size Bronco just in case the Sport doesn't pan out. If I forgo the Sport I'll be waiting until 2022 before I can get my hands on it.
 
@YoGeorge - I added the Primitive Racing skid plates to my 2014 Limited and did some AT tires, too. Yep, about a grand in total (tires were 150 each plus mounting, skid plates were about 300 for the 3 piece set and then installed)....

You don't need a lift to make it viable for offroad.

The CVT does just fine @wbdubya - working in conjunction with the X-Mode, it gets you out of many a situation - something you never could get with a manual trans or even a traditional auto... because the CVT gives you almost an unlimited set of gear ratios, and a typical manual or auto gives you 5 or 6 (yes, there are 8 and 9 speed autos, but they're not typical) - giving you some pretty good ratios and final drive numbers.

Now the 2020 and 2021 have an improved X-Mode that changes the programming more.

A mostly stock Forester will never beat a Jeep Wrangler - but can surely keep up in most situations. Then with some of the majorly modded Foresters, you can get in those same spots (and back out again) as those Jeeps - and the Bronco (sport or full-size).
 
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Hello, I’ve driven a number of Subaru’s in the past, most recently a leased forester 2017. I would get the latest model, in fact I’ve test driven it and it is way nicer than the 2017. Smooth, Comfy etc.

I started thinking of the Bronco Sport, but it looks to me that anything less than the 34k badlands model is actually worse off-road than a 23k Subaru Forester. Well maybe not worse but certainly less ground clearance. Am I missing something. The broncos seem over priced. The interior looks bad. Do they have something that justifies the cost? At 34k for the badlands I’d rather get a fore runner. What am I missing? I’m mostly asking about the lower end models, and what makes them better than a forester?
After heavily shopping Bronco Sport and checking out Badlands and other models and then checking out Subaru Forester Forester has much more to offer especially now they have wilderness and the Wilderness is where you geared with the 4:11 looking forward to it being Torque'ier off the line.

All wheel drive all the time AKA four-wheel drive just put Subaru in a different class than the majority of broncosports that will be on the road the Badlands has a button to lock all four wheels in 4-wheel drive but that's only and slippery or dirt conditions Rock mode
 
I really like the new bronco. the bronco sport we also had interest in but one of the things I like most about the subaru platform is how stable it is in the rain. the AWD system is working all the time. I believe its F/R 60/40 for the forester. the bronco sport will be a front wheel drive system with the rear kicking in when needed. this has proven to not perform as well off road or in the mud/show. I put a 2 inch lift on my forester sport and a larger tire. totally satisfied with it. Like I say. I really love the new bronco but the gas mileage wont work for me due to my daily commute of almost 100 miles. the bronco sport would be a better comparison for me but the AWD system (downgrade in my opinion) and the loss of cargo room makes me stay with my forester.
 
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@wbdubya So how did the Bronco work out for you?

I am so glad we are getting good choices for AWD these days. I'm interested in the checking more closely the Mazda CX-50 when it comes to fruition:
 
The Bronco Sport is for cosplay. If you are considering a Bronco, then look at the real one.
 
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Funny, but IMO the real posers are the folks who spend $60-100k on a big Bronco so they can take the doors off when they drive to get ice cream. And get 15 mpg and 120 decibel noise on the freeway. And deal with the crappy fitting soft tops that make me roll my eyes.

Unless you truly live in the wilderness where there are no paved roads (or no roads), a Bronco Sport or Forester would be a better choice to drive on the road.

I owned and drove an FJ40 Land Crusher as a DD for a couple years back in the 1980's. Worked well off road, but a Forester or Bronco Sport would have served my needs better as a work commuter on paved roads which was my primary use for the FJ40...
 
That's the argument to buy a car or minivan, as they will be superior.
 
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@Solid, does this mean it's OK with the Cosplay police (aka you) to buy a Forester or Bronco Sport if there is no intent to drive on the Rubicon Trail? :)
 
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