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Yep -
Maybe folks who are interested have a bit more info, and I agree - At this point only the owls are likely to give a hoot.

For this thread, I doubt there is much more to say, but then, the answer to that question should be for the OP, also known as @DanPurcell ...
Sorry for the foray into the weeds.
Are your horns installed yet?
No. Car is in Maine and I’m in Virginia. Trying to gather what I can before I go there.
 
So, the more I read the more I realize I might need some additional components to install my new horn kit. It looks like a harness and mounting bracket are essential. Can anyone verify that and tell me where I can purchase these items? I have a 2021 Forester Premium with and automatic transmission
So I installed my Hella hors at the original locations with NO horn relay. I use for over 2 years with no problems. I did remove the front bumper cover to make it easier.
 
Ahhh, I didn't realize it was only for the green one. It's not mentioned anywhere in the thread.
I saw you post on another unrelated topic about installing hella horns. I purchased the set and I'm planning to do the same on my 2022 forester. Can it wire directly to the (2) factory horns? I don't care if they're mounted out of site I just want the better sound. Thanks!
 
@Tmntjmc
Read the previous thread posts that have everything you need to know.
To summarize - Yes, you can use the existing wiring, but that isn't ideal, as the replacement horns use more power than the factory beeps, so you won't get the output from the horns you would with adequate power.

Ideally, you should use a relay and use the factory horn power to switch the relay, and run a power line to the relay and to the horns. This is already in the thread previously, along with wiring diagrams if you want to do it right.
If you want to use the existing horn wiring, the horns will work, but not as well.
Less sound output.
Your choice.
 
This thread has been really helpful -- thanks to all. I went with these:


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Couldn't be happier. Current draw is low, so no need for a new relay/switch; existing wiring is fine and the aftermarket harness fits perfectly. Sound is great. Far louder than stock and a very pleasing harmony from the two notes. By far the hardest aspect is accessing the mounting points. But like almost every job in a Subaru if you remove the entire airbox assembly it's not too bad. I also removed the plastic sheath that sits sort of above and between the grille and the radiator. It's fiddly to remove as it has to be manipulated a million ways before it will finally escape, but once those items were out of the way, the old horns and the wires were reasonably accessible. I did take a few photos and would be happy to post them and my basic process if anyone is interested.
 
@DanPurcell I did a similar mod on my 2014 Outback. The idea is that you tap off of a wire going to a single existing horn. If you tried to 'drive' your new horns directly with the existing horn circuit, you would not be able to deliver sufficient amperage to properly operate your new high output Hella units. So you just use the existing horn wire as your "trigger". You can even leave your existing horns for additional volume and a clash of tones.

You run that trigger wire to the relay's coil circuit. On most automotive relays, that will be Pin 86. Pin 85 is the coil's ground connection.
Pin 30 is your new line to the battery that will power your horns. Don't forget to add a fuse to this line for basic safety! Your load, or new Hella horns will go on either Pin 87 or 87A. One of these is normally an open circuit (off), the other is normally connected (on). And yes, I've seen relays produced with marking swapped, so you might find you have to reverse them.

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Thanks for this. One question.... How do I find the horn "trigger" wire? Is it not wired into the fuse panel where the OEM relay is located? How do I get to it ?
 
I just picked it up from the existing wire to the horn on the center post in front of the radiator. There's no need to go looking for the source.
 
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Keep in mind that there are good, loud, options that don't require a relay. See my post (#47) above for an example. The only complication (if you can even call it that) of my installation was that it requires adding a ground wire from one of the horn leads to the mounting bolt. Super easy to do, but the ground wire isn't there on the OE horn because it's already incorporated into the mounting bolt. Other than that it's a totally clean swap and the result is great. I'm sure there are louder options but it seems to me these are plenty loud without spilling over into the "obnoxious" realm . . .
 
@deeveebee agree.
As long as you remove both old horns and do a 1 for 1 swap, you are probably going to be fine. What gets people into trouble is when they try to add two horns up front off the single horn wire. Now they are powering a total of 3 and expecting the one wire up front to power two new horns. Unfortunately, people do the darndest things.
 
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