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2017 - Engine heating, burning smell - when does the fan turn on?

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#1 ·
Hi,

while driving on a freeway I felt a little burning smell, stopped the car. Found engine to be hot plus the smell. Waited for 5-10 mins, started driving slowly with AC off. Didn’t see the same issue again.

question -When will the fan turn on in a car? Should it turn on the moment I start my 2017 forester or only when it’s put in some miles and engine is hot? Plus should the fan turn on if I turn on my AC?

checked the coolant level and oil level, all good.

Thanks
 
#2 ·
When will the fan turn on in a car?
After it reaches operating temperature

Plus should the fan turn on if I turn on my AC?
A single fan turns on with the AC on older models; I imagine it's the same.

What did your temperature gauge read? Is there any sign of grease around the lower part of the engine, if so you may have a split CV boot and that will cause a burning smell.
 
#4 ·
@enigmat120 the earlier models had a coolant gauge, which is a fancy" idiot light", as the gauge usually rises to the same area (see picture) & doesn't move... until the engine overheats & the pointer rises into the red!

We have a ScanGauge II installed in all our vehicles & with that, you can see how much the coolant temperature actually changes!

Bobby...

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I don't know the particular temperature limit numbers for Subarus, but in general under-hood radiator fans run by two independent sets of logic. One is from the a/c system - the fans must be ON, when the a/c compressor clutch is engaged, regardless of the temperature of the engine, cold or hot. This is to prevent the refrigerant pressure/temperature from rising too high, which would blow out the high pressure safety valve of the a/c system (ask me how I know this). The other fan-driver is from the coolant temperature inside the radiator (not the engine). The temperature at the engine itself only determines whether the thermostat/thermo-control valve will allow engine coolant to flow through the radiator or not. It's when the radiator starts getting too hot, and only then, that the radiator fans will start running (if not already driven on by the a/c). This temperature where fans start I think is usually about 210degF (100C). Since the radiator and engine are sealed and can stand coolant pressures above 1 atmosphere, everything can still quite safely heat up further beyond that, up to something like 240degF, the point at which the gauges or warning lights declare an overheating emergency. This is why removing a hot radiator cap is so dangerous - while pressurized, it wasn't boiling, but when you take off the cap the boiling point decreases and suddenly you have a burning hot geyser of coolant coming out onto you. Another one of my "fun experiences" was having my electric radiator fan motor completely fail (seized) during a long vacation trip. This seemed at first a disaster, but it turned out that even in kind-of warm temperatures (New Brunswick summer), the car could safely be driven at any speed above about 10 mph without any radiator fan at all, and not overheat. A/C had to be off, of course. When we got stopped in traffic, all that was needed was to run the heater at full blast (your heater + heater fan acts exactly like your radiator + radiator fan, if you can stand it). We drove all the way across NB, NS, and out onto PEI and back to Moncton successfully as we waited for our parts to arrive at the dealer to fix the car. So it's pretty clear, if your a/c is off and you're moving faster than a walking pace, your radiator fans are likely not to need to be running.

In my XT, the upper center display can be set to show Oil Temperature digitally. Is this not an option for 2.5L non-turbo '17 Foresters? The owner's manual describes how to make choices of what to display on this screen. I remember this selection being confusing but it did work. This is not to say that oil temperature and coolant temperature are equal parameters; they behave quite differently based on my experience with various non-Subarus and my current Subaru. The radiator coolant heats up the most when you are stopped in heavy traffic; the oil heats up the most when you are going fast up steep and long mountain highway grades. But I do find that seeing a numerical readout of my oil temperature, day-in and day-out, is reassurance that my engine overall is happy, more reassuring than just seeng that neither the blue nor the red water temperature lights are lit up.

note, my above comments about driving around with no radiator fan only apply if you have NOT lost any coolant (no boilover, no leaks) yet.
 
#8 ·
Thanks @whobodym for the detailed write up. I looked into the manual and their steps into dealing with engine heating. It mainly says look for engine oil level and coolant level mainly. If it's good and still heats stop and call Subaru :)

In the main display console it just shows blue lights during start and I think that's to say engine is at optimum temp? Otherwise I assume it displays red and is a sign it's hotter than optimal.

Anyways, we drove back 240 miles after a day of total halt, without similar experience. Might be okay but will give it for service and check with the Subaru dealer. I will post their findings in this thread.

Thanks again!
 
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