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The irony of all the "I want a turbo" "why don't they have a turbo?" comments is ... lost.

Subaru DOES have a Turbo - 2 of them actually - in the US market: the Ascent and the Outback XT models. And those are no huge sales juggernauts. Instead, the majority of Outback models sold look to be the 2.5 non-turbo.

Which is the same thing that was happening with the SJ generation Forester and led to a drop for the SK generation, and a reason for not bringing it back in the next generation. There is a very small market for a turbo model in the Forester in the US markets. I don't have the JDM sales figures but chances are that the 1.8 turbo in the Forester there is probably not huge seller either.

Mazda has a Turbo because Mazda is a very small automaker and can take on a low volume selling model for the same reason you find some small craft beer and ale brewers that make special brews that gather some interest but never reach the market impact of a Michelob Ultra or a Guinness ale. Toyota could offer a turbo RAV4 (but they don't) because it's not where they see a sales boon. So they instead offer up different levels of hybrid models. Honda and Ford don't really count in this type of a discussion because those turbo models are geared towards economy by taking a small displacement motor and boosting to competitors n/a power levels and get good/better MPGs. Hyundai or Kia could offer a turbo but it would be much in the Mazda mode...

I'm not saying that there is not a market for a turbo, but for most SUV buyers (and a lot of Subaru buyers) the turbo is not needed nor wanted. They'd much rather see the forthcoming promised Hybrid.
 
Does the 23/24 or touring trims typically have a needle for gas and oil/water? See below:
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Nope. The SK generation has a digital read out for fuel levels and I do not believe there is a coolant temp gauge.

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I have what displays in the MFD - but it's not what's available on the new SL (?) generation for 2025. This looks to be an actual, honest to god temp gauge for the new panel.
 
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New Features:
  • Ventilated Seats!!!! (touring only)
  • kick controlled Hands free lift gate
  • 19 inch wheels on Sport and Touring (Blah!!!)
  • 360 Camera System
  • Very little change to drive-train. Though hybrid will come later. No mention of turbo ICE.
  • Improved seat comfort and a quieter cabin ("concentrated effort on sound dampening")
  • wireless phone charger standard (like crosstrek)
  • Instrument cluster is same as the 2024 Crosstrek. I just adds back the analog temp and fuel gauges.
  • No mention of the smart rearview mirror, but it is there in the pictures for the touring.
  • No power folding mirrors.
  • black headliner appears standard design now. Not just Wilderness
  • No mention of Wilderness, but I expect that to come in a few months before this releases.
Overall, I think it is VERY VERY close to the same body/size. Lots of things look almost exactly the same.
smart rearview mirror is in a video also
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It's 1.2" longer and .5" wider than the current models.
Length.....182.7 inch to 183.3 inch
Width.......71.5 inch to 72.0 inch
Wheelbase....105.1 inch....same
Height.....68.1 inch (but no mention of roof rails)
Track is the same 61.6 front/61.8 rear
 
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@LeRM They brought back the analog fuel and temp gauge on the Crosstrek too so I was expecting it here. Glad they are doing it. This means there will be a persistent digital speed on the instrument cluster display rather than taking up a spot in the info you cycle through. Way better, but I still wish it was a full digital cluser like the Japanese Levorg.
 
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I'm pretty impressed with all the features they brought to this. Other than a power option that we hopefully get with the hybrid, it was just about everything on my wish list. It also makes me excited to see what the Outback will bring since I'm sure they will want to differentiate it from the Forester.
 
I do like several of some of the new festures like wireless Apple Car Play.

I noticed that the rear spoiler was painted the same as the body colour, which makes it more curious that the 2024 Foresters (except the Wilderness) are all black.
 
Disappointed is the best I can say about it. I'm not really sure what is "all new". Most of the features added are already in the Subaru line-up and just now being added to the Forester. Newly Updated Forester is more accurate in my opinion. The fact they are taking so long getting a hybrid out is definitely a concern. I also understood that the hybrid they are bringing out will be a boxer hybrid??? Subaru and a boxer hybrid have not been a raging success in fact not much different than a regular boxer ice engine. Not sure what the strategy is announcing the "all new" Forester then saying a few months down the road we will be introducing the hybrid. Isn't that like shooting yourself in the foot.
Oh well glad I bought they 23 Wilderness hopefully Subaru will get their stuff together by 26 or 27 when I start looking for a new vehicle.
 
I like the current aggressive 23-24 Forester Sport and the orange/red stripe and grill and black rims. I appreciate the new grill, but don't prefer the emblem band on the back pillar. It looks like a garter trying to hold up the style from slipping, I also don't like Bronze so may have to think about a different trim, or other models/makers.
 
Very disappointing “redesign”.. the crowd looked totally bored during the press release/official launch.
I personally don’t like it at all.
I’m sure it has all the safety features it needs, but aesthetically speaking, it leaves a lot to desire, no matter where you look at it from: front, side or rear..
 
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@Menel I know that is a render, but HOT DAMN does that look good.

Also, I'm pretty sure they just said the Hybrid was coming sometime next year. I expect it to still be a 2025 MY.

@Wilderness I expect the Wilderness version to get announced early next year before deliveries start. They might take slightly longer to start delivering it. That is exactly what happened with the 2024 Crosstrek.
 
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