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2014 - Car died, will not start?

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323 views 10 replies 6 participants last post by  j3rf  
#1 ·
Vehicle Details:
2014 subaru forester 2.5
Transmission:
auto
Location:
ontario
have a 2014 forester 2.5 i the dealer told me the motor is an h4 ssi so"
i was driving down highway stopped at a set of lights . up to then on problem no loss of power but stalled out at like stopped running no noise no shutter sputter nothing just stopped. crank it. lots of crank but no fire.
towed to service station. they could not start, no code readings, but said had compression and lots of crank but no spark. he said take to dealer. after they had it for a while told me motor gone no compression.
i asked what cause the no compression. they were to let me know. now it may be a timing chain. but there is no compression in one cylinder but they cant tell me the others, then they start talking about a value may have hit the piston. there was no blue smoke, no sign of a leak, no sign of a oil leak. there was water dripping in the vehicle from behind the glove box but it had been extremely humid so i did not think much about it as it stopped. could the water effected the main computer and that is why the dealer could not get code readings?
I had changed oil regular serviced regularly, it did use oil a litre for 4000 kms but always kept an eye on it.
any guesses?
 
#4 ·
If it's like my 2013, it had 60/90 psi on 3 of the 4 cylinders and the #2 had 120 psi. It basically had COOKED exhaust valves likely from the massive vacuum leak at the brake booster that went unnoticed by the previous owner. A leak down test would confirm that. How many miles are on your engine, as I'm not aware of timing chain failures on the FB25 being common at all.
 
#6 ·
This sounds like a classic case of catastrophic engine failure, likely from the well-known issues with the FB25 engine in that year. The 'water dripping behind the glove box' is a huge red flag—that's exactly where the engine control module (ECM) is located. The initial 'no spark' diagnosis could have been from water-damaged electronics, but the 'no compression' finding points to a mechanical engine failure, possibly a dropped valve. You need a second opinion from a trusted independent Subaru specialist, not the dealer."
 
#7 · (Edited by Moderator)
Unfortunately we only have one subaru place my usual mechanic was former subaru trained but has been independent for over 25 years so no training on these models.

There is another place in town but i have two law matters against him from his customers.
When i mentioned the water dripping from behind they sort of had a no big deal attitude until i suggest "isnt that where the main computer is stored and the ecm. " then they seemed to be more backpedalling and suggesting a second look. I did go by and got something i needed for work out of the back and did notice they had the glove box out and were working behind the glove box and under the dash
 
#8 ·
So you lost compression as confirmed by a compression test and they mention the possibility of valves hitting piston but they did not put a borescope camera down the sparkplug hole to see if valves had collided with the piston?
Did they do a compression test on each of the 4 cylinders or just 1 cylinder?

If they suspect water damage, did they test to see if the injectors are getting signal/voltage?
Did they check for fuel pressure?
Is there a timing chain inspection cover they can remove to see the state of the chain and how slack it might be? I'm not sure if the timing chain can be replaced with the engine in the vehicle or if it needs to come out on those FB series of engines- Assuming it's at the front and not at the back of the engine.

Dealerships get lazier and lazier**................ It would have taken 1-2 hour tops to check all that and then call the customer to give an informed opinion and a plan going forwards.

** No offence to @j3rf 🍻
 
#9 ·
they did not tell me they used a borescope camera, and said it most likely had a valve hit a piston but it sounded more like one of a few possible things they did say they tested only one and i asked what the other reading was he could only give me one number for the one cylinder (30)
I get it the vehicle is over ten years old but I also drive two gmc canyons one (2003) with just under 500,000 and the other 2007 has 300,000++ and i purchased subaru as it was known to get high mileage use
they seem to be setting me up to need to purchase new
my understanding is that the motor would need to be removed (dealers shop advise) they have had the vehicle over a month and everything I get from them doesn't sound right or doesn't add up
 
#11 ·
Dealerships get lazier and lazier**................ It would have taken 1-2 hour tops to check all that and then call the customer to give an informed opinion and a plan going forwards.
@TMX

None taken, you're not wrong....

The ECM is under the passenger side of the dashboard, but not mounted to the floor like the older Subarus. It's mounted to the left of the blower motor alongside a relay holder. While I wouldn't think it would suffer from water damage there, I don't think it's impossible either.


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