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Funny you mention those plug drains. I almost bought them for both the oil pan and the tranny pan when I got the car but was always afraid that they'd get hit with debris going down the highway so I never did it. Wiped off the filler neck and changed the cap yesterday. Hopefully the code clears over the weekend with a couple of drives. Any particular oil filter you'd suggest? If not I'll just go with the Subaru filter.


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The Fumoto oil drain plug is wonderful. Makes oil changes so easy.


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I have Fumoto drains on both my Subaru's. Makes life much simpler.

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Guess I know what I'm ordering this weekend...

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Any particular oil filter you'd suggest?
Factory sounds good. I have confidence in NAPA Gold filters - air and oil. Seems like WIX filter construction has been highly regarded.
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Thanks !

So after changing the cap I decided to clear the code and start fresh when I drive to work tomorrow. 140 miles round trip. Hopefully I don't see another code, but if I do at least I can rule out the cap and the mechanic can start with the other possibilities.

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At 164K miles and 12 years old, Are you on the original radiator? If so, I would recommend changing that out next coolant change. They generally last about 10 years so you could be on borrowed time, unless it was changed when you had your head gaskets done.
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At 164K miles and 12 years old, Are you on the original radiator? If so, I would recommend changing that out next coolant change. They generally last about 10 years so you could be on borrowed time, unless it was changed when you had your head gaskets done.


Radiator? 450000 km on mine with original radiator. Mind you, it’s a Volvo but still ... oh and it’s 2004.




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Radiator? 450000 km on mine with original radiator. Mind you, it’s a Volvo but still ... oh and it’s 2004.


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Radiators for Kenworth can be good for over a million but about as relevant as a Volvo radiator on a Subaru forum

If you look at the patterns of radiator failures on this forum, you'll see it is generally around the 10 year mark and/or 100-120K miles ish.

Best to replace before you need to and takes your head gaskets with it - Cheap insurance as some might say
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The car is going in Monday anyway. Going to have him change the oil and see what he thinks as far as whether he thinks it's consuming outside the norm so I'll have him take a look at the radiator as well as give the car a thorough once over. He's pretty much the authority on Subaru in the area and is an enthusiast as well. Repairs them and sells them when people give up on 'em. He's a little out of the way so I can't get to him every time I need an oil change or something minor.


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Are you on the original radiator? If so, I would recommend changing that out next coolant change.
They generally last about 10 years so you could be on borrowed time
Mine lasted ~14, but a more useful rule is, imho, "If it's not broke, don't fix it."
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Mine lasted ~14, but a more useful rule is, imho, "If it's not broke, don't fix it."
On certain parts like a CV joint etc, waiting until something breaks makes sense

But as you said yourself, if the OP's radiator is original, its time is coming to an end with yours dieing at 14 years (Without stating the mileage). Personally I would not wait for a radiator to go bad, as it is typically when the vehicle is travelling, up to pressure and sudden failure can cause overheating, taking the head gaskets with it, which makes the $100 for a radiator look insignificant financially.

Is saving $100 worth the risk and hassle of dealing with a foreseen breakdown and recovery? You be the judge, however the OP is changing transmission fluid more regularly than the schedule from Subaru in the hope for reliability. With this in mind, changing the radiator next coolant change makes absolute sense in my opinion.

At the end of the day, it is a simple risk/reward balance and if you can afford the vehicle to be off the road dealing with repairs.
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Car spent a few hours at the shop yesterday. Since I couldn't get the bolt off the tranny pan I had them drop the fluid that was in the pan and put my fluid in. First thing they did was change the filter even before cracking the pan bolt open. Asked him what he thought about Subaru saying it's a lifetime part and he just shook his head and said he would never change the fluid without changing the filter. Used a OEM filter. Had them change the oil and asked about the consumption. By all accounts at the shop it's within what should be expected at this mileage. He has one at the shop with over 300k miles on it that is his daily driver. Said I have nothing to worry about as long as I keep maintaining it the same as I've been doing.

Everything else checked out ok. No code since I changed the gas cap.

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The biggest thing about the oil filters you pick is that it has to meet or exceed the bypass spec. For the price, it was almost always cheaper to get the genuine OEM filters online - just make sure you get the crush washer too and change it every time.

The newer top mount filters make it a breeze. I haven't done a Fumoto on my old Outback because I had to get under the car anyway for the oil filter. But if I had a top mount like I have on my Forester now, I'd be seriously considering the Fumoto.

What are you talking about a lifetime part? The transmission fluid? That's not accurate for the 4EAT's - they had regular fluid intervals. But the new CVT's are supposed to have no drain interval unless you're towing.

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The filter for the 4EAT on the 07 and the like are considered "lifetime" parts by Subaru (and by some here). I don't see how a filter can be "forever" . I buy the crush washers by the pack from Subaru so I always have them on hand whether it's for the oil change monkeys or if I'm changing tranny fluid.

I can't believe it took this long for them to figure out how to put the filter on top.....saw it when I went to the dealer and couldn't believe my eyes.

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