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post #1 of 25 (permalink) Old 07-05-2019, 12:22 PM Thread Starter
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No TPMS = Goodbye Forester XT Touring!

I thought I was all smart, (outsmarted evidently!). I bought a Forester XT up here in Canada. Come to find, I'm unable to bring it back to the states. So far, talking to registered importers, and scouring the web I find no legal way to bring the car back without TPMS.

If anyone knows exceptions that will permit it I'm interested. I've learned the system has to be OEM, so no aftermarket sensors and bolt on readers. The whole OEM shebang is cost prohibitive, if it can be even be done. The verdict isn't in on this fact.



Anyway I think I'm SOL and must sell the car.


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Wow that sucks big time.
not that hard to have stock TPMS sensors installed.
I would do that before selling .
I had a winter set of tires and wheels made up and added TPMS stock sensors.
The problem was when I switched back to the new summer wheels I had the TPMS light come and stay on. I went to the dealer and they gave me the run around so I purchased the Autel TS508 tool for a couple hundred and reset the TPMS . Now I do it myself.
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It's not the sensors in the wheels that are a problem. Yes, those are easy enough. But the Canadian Forester is not equipped with the software to read the sensors. That is the rub. And installing this after the fact is (what I'm told) nearly impossible to do, if not impossible to do.

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Several other's have posted the same issue, and the fix. Search should find it, if not, aftermarket TPMS kit will let you into the US.
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You may be on to something aggie113. However the posts I've found seem less than straightforward. Things are lucygoosey. Things such as I had a friend in the army and we went through.... or recently I found a guy in Washington DC who said for $900.00 he'd set me up. And I wouldn't have to pay a bond. This may be true but if it isn't then I'm out 900 and a car. The more DOT websites I read the less likely it sounds like it can be done. I've contacted a few Registered Importers. Most tell me no you can't do it. There may be a gray area and that will get you through, but that sounds like a crapshoot. If they don't let your car through you're SOL.


I've read of people getting though with aftermarket TPMS. But then the documents state this isn't legal. I'm not in a gambling mood.


https://www.visajourney.com/forums/t...-tpms-success/

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Several other's have posted the same issue, and the fix. Search should find it, if not, aftermarket TPMS kit will let you into the US.

Well, I like to know I'm right if I'm going to be a bit of a smart ***. I couldn't easily find the previous posts but I did find this tidbit on another site:

HS7 form, tick 2A
3520-1 form, tick code B

That's it.

https://www.subaruoutback.org/forums...ml#post5635929

And another https://www.visajourney.com/forums/t...-tpms-success/

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Several other's have posted the same issue, and the fix. Search should find it, if not, aftermarket TPMS kit will let you into the US.
There has to be a way with aftermarket items. Many people install after market on their motorcycle. I did it to my 2002 BMW bike. The parts should be the same. Keep digging and you will find a solution.
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Well, I like to know I'm right if I'm going to be a bit of a smart ***. I couldn't easily find the previous posts but I did find this tidbit on another site:

HS7 form, tick 2A
3520-1 form, tick code B

That's it.

https://www.subaruoutback.org/forums...ml#post5635929

And another https://www.visajourney.com/forums/t...-tpms-success/
Sounds too good to be true......but I like it.

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@8lackie Suggest you contact Joe Spitz. Here is a link to his Cars101 site:

Subaru Research Site- specs, prices, options, 2019, 2018, 2017, 2016, 2015, 2014, 2013.... Outback, Ascent, Legacy, Forester, XV Crosstrek, WRX, STI, Impreza, BRZ, Tribeca

At the bottom of the home page is a contact link. I believe his dealership is very familiar with cross US/Canada Subaru vehicle issues, modifications. Doesn't hurt to drop him an E-mail and ask.


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This email from NHTSA pretty much spells it out. If you got your car into the U.S. w/out TPMS and you're titled and registered. Lucky for you. I'm out a few dollars, I'm only glad I didn't do a bunch of modification, i.e. wheels, exhaust, suspension. I'll sell this one and find another one in the states.

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By way of background, Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS) No. 138, as found in 49 CFR 571.138, specifies performance requirements for tire pressure monitoring systems (TPMS) to warn drivers of significant under-inflation of tires and the resulting safety problems this condition can produce. The standard applies to all passenger cars, multipurpose passenger vehicles, trucks, and buses that have a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 4,536 kilograms (10,000 pounds) or less, except for vehicles with dual wheels on an axle, that are manufactured on or after September 1, 2007.

The law establishes a self-certification process in which vehicle and equipment manufacturers themselves certify that all of their products are in compliance with all applicable FMVSSs, which establish minimum criteria that the product must meet. NHTSA does not approve or certify any motor vehicles or motor vehicle equipment items as complying with all applicable FMVSS. That is instead the responsibility of the vehicle or equipment item's original manufacturer.

If the manufacturer’s letter states that the vehicle complies with all applicable FMVSS but does not comply with the requirements of FMVSS No. 138 Tire Pressure Monitoring Systems because the vehicle does not have a tire pressure monitoring system installed by the vehicle’s original manufacturer which is identical to, and with the same part number(s) as the system the manufacturer installs on vehicles manufactured for sale in the U.S., the vehicle cannot be permanently imported as a conforming motor vehicle under Box 2B on the HS-7 Declaration form https://icsw.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import/HS7_r.v.7.pdf. The vehicle can only be imported as a conforming motor vehicle under Box 2B if the importer furnishes CBP with an invoice from a franchised dealer or authorized repair facility of the vehicle’s original manufacturer showing that a tire pressure monitoring system identical to, and with the same part number(s) as the system the manufacturer installs on vehicles manufactured for sale in the United States has been installed on the vehicle for which entry is sought. An aftermarket TPMS does not conform to FMVSS No. 138. If a retrofit is not available for the vehicle by the manufacturer, the vehicle cannot be permanently imported into the U.S. as a U.S.-conforming vehicle under Box 2A or Box 2B on the HS-7 Declaration form, and it is not eligible to be imported by or through a registered importer under Box 3 on the HS-7 Declaration form.

Hope this information is helpful.

Import and Certification Division

Office of Vehicle Safety Compliance

National Highway Traffic Safety Administration

1200 New Jersey Avenue, S.E.

West Building, Fourth Floor, NEF-230

Washington, DC 20590

Phone: 202-366-5291

Email: [email protected]

Website: www.nhtsa.gov/cars/rules/import

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@8lackie Why didn't the selling dealer tell you this before you bought it?
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@billshoff2 The real question is why didn't I ask. I didn't do the research properly.
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In 2001, my wife and I tried to import her 1992 Canadian model Honda civic I to the US. We called Honda USA to get proper paper work, they replied back saying we needed to get air bag system installed. To say the least at nearly $4000, we sold the car in Canada before moving to the US.
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Suggest you csll US Customs Seattle Downtown Office. NOT SeaTac or YVR airport baggage. Ask to be connected to an Import Specialist who deals with vehicle imports. That is the person who does have the answers because they are the ones who know laws and process approvals and denials.
US spec vehicles will have a federal compliance plate under the hood or on the drivers door jamb. Also make sure your next vehicle meets your next state requirements.
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