You don't need to worry about such trivial matters:icon_razz: you've got a Forester:banana:Just wondering why Subaru did not opt to put on a folding mirror for the Outback, or Legacy? In big cities cars (mostly trucks and taxi's) take out mirrors & in the brush I can imagine the errant thick branch taking out a mirror too?
Cost cutting measure?
CapeAnn
You don't need to worry about such trivial matters:icon_razz: you've got a Forester:banana:
Cost cutting measure. Proof Subi has adopted the 80s/90s GM, and 00s Toyota idea that reducing production cost is the most important thing. More important that quality, durability, long term costs to owners or even lawsuits as long as those costs are below the extra profits.Cost cutting measure?
CapeAnn
Orrrrrrrr they saved a few bucks in trivial things like mirrors with turn signal indicators to make up for it with other things elsewhere. Everyone thought it was neato that the Outback 3.6R was a few thousand dollars cheaper than the old Outback 3.0R, but nobody ever questioned how they did that...Cost cutting measure. Proof Subi has adopted the 80s/90s GM, and 00s Toyota idea that reducing production cost is the most important thing. More important that quality, durability, long term costs to owners or even lawsuits as long as those costs are below the extra profits.
Typical when the accountants get to overrule the engineers and product designers. Look what that did to GM and look what it is currently doing to Toyota.
Another example, almost of their entire line up had side mirror turn indicator lights and after the recent redesigns none do. I know 98.5% of consumers would not choose a car based on those, but I see them as a sign of greater underlying problems and short comings.
I just did a Google search and see that the Legacy line in the Netherlands includes a wagon version and mirrors that fold with indicators!!!Euro Legacy has power fold mirrors, with fitted indicators.
Jared_N I recognize that being a auto sales consultant isn't easy work and I appreciate your dedication to Subaru. If Subaru cut the cost of folding mirrors, roof rails etc., and that is the statement your sticking by, than you and Subaru become like the other guys. He said she said :crazy:Orrrrrrrr they saved a few bucks in trivial things like mirrors with turn signal indicators to make up for it with other things elsewhere. Everyone thought it was neato that the Outback 3.6R was a few thousand dollars cheaper than the old Outback 3.0R, but nobody ever questioned how they did that...
...nor do people point out that the Forester has a starting MSRP, with standard AWD, lower than the starting MSRP of a 2WD Honda CR-V. Instead of saying "oh cool, you get AWD and the same safety features as the higher line Foresters", they whine about steel wheels and lack of roof rails.
Etc etc etc
hey my Suby GL wagon (MY 1985) has folding mirrors too :banana:. so i guess its money saving then :shake:Technically older Legacies and Outbacks' had folding mirrors (early to mid 90's). Just the newer that have had fixed.
I actually am thinking about changing the mirrors on my forester, thought of getting rid of the folding feature but I'm certain that would be a headache and a half.
*dons flamesuit*'lesser' Suburu products!!!
Yeah, I'd say both. However, the non USDM markets get them, so I'd say that maybe they think we wouldn't be willing to pay the extra $$ for them?They say wind noise, but I say shaves a few bucks off the car.
I have the same folding mirrors on my '00 BH and my '05 SG (SG's are just painted charcoal). I'm pretty sure your '03 (?) BH had the same mirrors as well. Ever notice how the BH doesn't have that nasty turbulence coming from the mirror, even though they're the same design? Methinks it has something to do with the airflow between it and the A pillar. Hrmmmm....They did that another time too but I forget when. One reason is it cuts down on wind noise. It seems the split is a good source of turbulence and sound. Personally I'd rather deal with the noise myself and have the folding mirrors.
I agree! I tried to talk my sister-in-law's sister into getting a Subaru as her next car. She looked at the Impreza (she was looking for something small) and didn't like it because it didn't come with Bluetooth and the interior door panels were all plastic.Jared_N I recognize that being a auto sales consultant isn't easy work and I appreciate your dedication to Subaru. If Subaru cut the cost of folding mirrors, roof rails etc., and that is the statement your sticking by, than you and Subaru become like the other guys. He said she said :crazy:
You can't show ads of an Outback treading water or going through a car wash full of mud when it is EXPECTED and sometimes required the mirrors fold-in before going through!
Subaru's claim to fame is their technology of AWD which is superior to any others on the market (though Audi is getting closer) that should not be even in the equation of cost cutting measures. That is what makes a Subaru a Subaru.
Subaru needs to SWEAT the details such has folding mirrors, quality interiors, hands free communication accessories, etc.. We all know the technology under the skin is why we love the Subie's but maybe as we age, it is nice to sit in a seat that cushes your tush!
Let's hope the shares owned by Toyota in Fuji Heavy are NOT influencing engineers at Subaru.