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Hi there, I'm new on here and a prospective owner of a high mileage Forester. The vehicle I'm looking at is a late 2005 2.5XTE model that has just covered 100,000 miles. The Forester has also been fitted with LPG which is the main reason I'm considering this model.
I've still to see the vehicle in the flesh but was wondering what I should be looking out for in terms of service history and general wear and tear on the motor.
In addition does anyone know how kind LPG is to Subaru's long term?
The car is priced at £7,995, is this fair for a fairly new car with high mileage?

Your thoughts and suggestions are most welcome.

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Saul
 

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As a generalisation, LPG is very easy on the machinery, high octane, smooth throttle response and less power, so less stress.

LPG is also easy on oil, low condensation and particulates/carbon, so the oily bits last a long while.

I would just judge by the overall condition.
 

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I'm not sure I'd buy it without a compression/leakdown test which is a PITA on Subarus due to the location of the plugs. Having said that if it has FSH and looks in good nick why not?

The LPG is a very welcome bonus. Every time I fill up on Vpower @ 114p/l I look longingly at the LPG pump - 56p. :icon_cry:

Generally check the condition of the gearbox - changes should be quite smooth - and try to start it from cold to see if there's any smoke. There shouldn't be any noises from the engine. Look at the tyres to see if they're even all round and obvious stuff like that.

These cars are tough - untuned and serviced they should be good for 200k +. My last one had 100k + and was running great when I sold it. Current one has 60k + much tuning and no worries.
 

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Mines done 134,000 miles.

Apart from a few mishaps, (some of them down to me) it still runs great.

I'm trying to beat the record of Ten Tenths on here with 200,000 miles on the original engine.

You should be fine, I've tweaked mine a bit.:icon_wink:

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I have had my 53 XT for 3 months now - it had 114k miles when I bought it. The miles didn't bother me as it was a genuine car - 1 owner, full service history, no towbar fitted and it had just been running up and down the motorway. I also only paid less than a third of what you're looking at so I had less to loose! Im sure you could get a 2.5 cheaper (there were some up for under 5k when I was looking) and fit LPG yourself if you think you really need it?

Check for full service history - also when the last service was done as it will be due the 2 big services soon (cambelt at 100k, all fluids at 110k).

Just had new tyres + alignment check done on mine and they found that one of the front shocks was leaking slightly so you best check those too.

Clutch could also be well worn by now?

Does it have a towbar? Engine is likely to have done more 'work' if it does. Even if you intend to tow yourself that it's always best to look for one without a towbar.

Don't just jump in and buy the first one you see - have a good look round at what else is on offer. I looked for nearly 4 months before the right one came along.
 

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Check for full service history - also when the last service was done as it will be due the 2 big services soon (cambelt at 100k, all fluids at 110k).
Think you'll find the 110K is just an oil change, the 120K is all fluids, the next really big one is the 150K.


 

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Personally it would have to be cheaper for me. More 5k.

Plus- what are you looking for? If you do alot of mileage and need some practicality and speed I'd look at a Volvo V70 D5 - For that price I'd go for a 05 100k D5.

Saying all this Im loved-up with my Forester even though its slow. :biggrin:
 

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Thanks

Hi guys, thanks for the tremendous response, this is a truly excellent forum.

I've had another look at the ad and I notice that the car has indeed been fitted with a two bar. So I guess it's seen a bit of towing action over the last 4yrs. I've also checked the book price for a car of this age and mileage and as one of you guys point out £5k is nearer the mark than £7,995.

I'll contact the dealer tomorrow and see if he's willing to negotiate. As the car is at the other end of the Country I'm not going to making any rush decisions on this one.

Thanks again
Saul

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2005 SUBARU Forester 2.5 XTE
 

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I'm abit confused by that car and the LPG. Someone wanted a towing car but with economy. It just seems a strange beast.

Personally I'd want one or the other. A STI or a competent high mpg-tower. Not both- it just seems odd- quirky.

Plus, where have they put the tank? The boot in a Forester is hardly big by estate standards as it is.

Why not look for a 2.0XT Forester closer to you instead? Unmolested for a start. Plus you'd pick one up with lower mileage and more importantly, if something went wrong with the car you dont have the hassle of taking it 350miles back to the dealer to argue with him :biggrin:
 

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From other LPG users experiences, an upper cylinder lubricant is required on turbocharger EJ20's to lubricate the valve seats or you get erosion and need the valve clearences doing, so its worth checking the car you're looking at is fitted with such a system and budget in the (relatively small) cost of adding lube.

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I bought my '06 (SG) 2.5XT (leather, no Nav) pretty much 12 months ago when the fuel had just been sat around the £1.25 mark. It had 58k miles on the clock - all motorway, good condition and full Subaru SH.

All reciepts (cambelt / fluids etc) all MOTs, bills and pretty much as-new. Bought from a non-Subaru dealer and paid £7k. Best thing i ever did.....

Petrol dropped to £0.90 i service her myself and will be keeping for another 2 years. I have done 18k in her in 12 months wand she hasn't missed a beat!

£7,995 is a little high - probably trying to recoup the LPG conversion cost.

I looked into LPG and VERY NEARLY went for it last week - but i just read too many if's, but's and maybe's to be 100% confident in it. Although, i had settled on a Prinz VSi for £2k with 2 years full warranty.....

As previously mentioned, the LPG can kill valve seats without the correct system in place (flashlube - i was going to opt for a new pressurised system) and some systems have cheap injectors that either fail or dont deliver.

Tow bar isnt an issue - just be aware it might have pulled a few things in its life! It could be worth a haggle or a look around. Like has been said, if the history backs it up, it will be a good buy

Oh and use the forums to find out some info on the LPG system :biggrin:

PS - dont be put off by the miles.
 

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Ask two Q' of the dealer what did the original owner buy [ or it may be an auction car] this speaks volumes.
Then ask to speak to the Foresters owner direct any good sh car dealer will be happy to put you in touch with them.
If no px then the asking price is way over what the cars worth, if px then its the cost of change that really matters.
Its a buyers market at the moment

Did you check with your insurance?
 

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Paid £11k for the wifes 06xten with sat nav and
18k miles back in the summer. That's from a Subaru dealer.

So 8k is a bit high.
 

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I would seriously consider a well looked after cheaper Forester for about 2-3k that has lost most of its value if you are not doing lots and lots of miles...when you start doing the maths on buying price and devaluation of the car you may find that you are far better off just putting normal petrol in it and forgetting the lpg , be careful and don't get hung up on running costs with a simple bit of maths you may find you lose over a period of a few years . Also find a good specialist who will service it for half the price of the dealers , an older Forester will not be worth taking to the dealers :biggrin:
I once had a bmw 328 coupe M reg and when i came to sell it had 145,000k on the clock...I spent 1000's on it at the dealer but when I came to sell it this made little or no difference to the price of it :icon_frown:

Right here goes , correct me if i'm wrong here guys , a quick calculation........

eg 10,000 miles would cost you in the region of £2000
300 miles to a tank say roughly give or take
£65 to fill up on average give or take , sometimes 99 ron sometimes 95 ron

so 10,000 miles divide by 300 =33.33 x £65 = £2166 give or take
this means that you would only save about £1000 per year on fuel and if i'm correct they say that lpg systems need servicing ??cost ?

Take away the devaluation of the car especially as it has 100,000k on it already ??
so in 3 years doing 10,000 miles per year you would only save about 3k max on fuel i reckon and i bet you that the car would be worth less than 3-4k if you were to try and sell it :icon_cool:
 

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Bit of a late reply here, but don't pay extra for an lpg powered forester. If you don't pass an lpg station daily, don't consider it at all. As an LPG user , you are a second class citizen as far as the oil co's are concerned.
I've been running LPG for the last 2 years, and I've just broken even! My first LPG car was an outback, that had covered 150,000 miles- at least 100,000 on gas- and it needed some pretty pricey overdue maintenance. It didn't have flashlube. My Forester S-turbo has 125k on the clock, 20k of that on gas, and runs more sweetly on gas than it does on petrol. I run flashlube, but Iknow at some point it will also require expensive mantenance. Subarus have very soft valve seats, and adjustment will be necessary at some point. In a turbo, my dealer says it is an engine-out job. ie not cheap.
Also, fuel costs are not halved; you save about 30-40 %, which may be gobbled up by increased maintenance costs, and the hassle of finding a station that keeps their gas pump in good order (some will take 15mins to fill you up!) means it really ain't worth it.
It is, however, REALLY clean! Carbon dioxide emissions are up, but the real nasties are very much reduced. It also smells worthy. Flashlube has an aroma of rotting fruit, so if you're trying to impress a girl in a hand knitted lentil jumper, with twigs in her matted dreads, you'll pull, easy!
Otherwise, get a funky Skoda diesel.
 
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