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A Most Peculiar Test Drive | Blog | Tesla Motors

Interesting what passes as "journalism" these days. I suppose John Broder figured that if reality shows can get away with being scripted, so can a car review. Obviously the guys at Tesla learned their lesson after being dissed by Top Gear in the past, and Broder got pwned. :biggrin:
 

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Evidently the editor of the Times published a response today in an effort to sweep the whole affair under the rug, but unfortunately continues to stand by the writer and his fabrications.

Meanwhile, a group of Telsa Model S owners decided to take up the challenge and recreate the same exact drive the reviewer took to prove the NYT article was full of crap: Taking a Road Trip In the Tesla Model S « Fearless Bit
 

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^^Brilliant! :biggrin:
 

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Saw one of those the other day. Actually not a bad looking car.
 

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The New York Times publishing dishonest information, fabrication and flat out lies??!!? OMG!

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I'm not a fan of what some news reporters do, bending the truth, outright lying, slanting a story, omiting facts, or totally sweeping a story under the rug and treating it like it doesn't exist...and it doesn't, if they don't report it.

If Broder really hates electric cars so much, all he really had to do to smear the Tesla S was state the facts...facts even Elon himself can't dispute. One: It costs around $100.000-after the tax break. Two: It has a range of 265 miles, (maybe) vs. 300-500+ mile range for most fuel powered cars. Three: It takes hours to fully refuel vs. minutes for a fuel powered car. There are more things, but any one of these reasons makes it unsuitable and not ready for prime time, as far as my life and lifestyle are concerned. I'm sure I'm not the only one.

Also, there have been omissions, exaggerations, and outright lies by electric car promoters and manufacturers, including Tesla motors, regarding the vehicles' aspects including range, environmental friendliness, and economy. Who's calling them out?
 

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My window at work faces one of those darn Tesla shops, so distracting! They really do look nice...argh
 

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As far as "Top Gear" goes, I was a fan of the program for many years but there has been a decline in the standard of motoring journalism in recent years as the presenters becomes almost 'omnipotent'. It has degenerated into a a three man comedy act, James May being the fall guy (and clearly the most intelligent) while J Clarkson and Hammond behave like a pair of stupid adolescents let loose in a lingerie shop, giggling and tittering their way through each season in a progressively less immature manner. Jeremy Clarkson was always loud mouthed and opinionated but an interesting journalist nonetheless, Hammond is, what? The show is so obviously scripted and choreographed now and bares so little resemblance to its roots that I find myself only watching recorded episodes so I can fast forwarding through the 'rhetoric'. However, regardless of my opinions, it remains the biggest and most viewed motoring program on the planet and in history too, I think.

I was somewhat surprised to see how fast the Tesla ran out of power on that show but in view of the way they treat cars, often shredding the tyres while testing and running out of petrol because they have their right feet welded to the floor, I along with the vast majority of viewers accepted this but in relation to the way cars are tested by them, I don't think the Tesla was held in disgrace for running out of juice. Indeed, it trashed the Lotus Elise in a drag race but reading Teslas report that they saw a "script" for the show prior to testing, in hindsight, is not really surprising. JC is anti electric cars anyway and perhaps Tesla should have asked the likes of James May to do the review but as the show is clearly pre-written, maybe that wouldn't have made a difference. I have seen James May deliver some lame lines/retorts to Hammond or Clarksons 'jokes' on the show and if you are looking, you can almost see the embarrassment on his face.

In these days of technology, surely journalists like JC and JB must be aware that the ECU is being data logged by the manufacturers if only to see how the car performed under extreme duress (in the case of TG)? With such evidence, might these factually incorrect reports not fall under the legal heading of slander? Suffice to say, if the NYT is not prepared to deal with this matter openly and publicly, in view of the data supplied by the car maker in question, their reputation must surely be tarnished and if such journalists get away with it once then they will do it again, for the good story, and ultimately such iconic newspapers will lose their credibility and just become another sensationalist rag.

Nicely posted Pleiad and other contributors.
 

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You're so right about Top Gear, Bassmaker. I just can't watch it anymore... the cars have been degraded to props, everything is so scripted, and Clarkson's ego exceeds the size of my screen. Meh...
 

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I missed that Top Gear episode, but didn't they have another show where they tested EV's...I seem to remember something like that.
 

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I never viewed Top Gear as serious automotive journalism, I look at it for what it is...automotive entertainment IMO the show has evolved as the car and entertainment world has. End of the day they sell their show and to me it is the most entertaining on TV, period.

Everyone has their opinion, but when the tesla ran out of juice or the Gee Whiz did I knew right away it was staged, and at the same time very entertaining. Does anyone really think that any part of that show isn't staged...really.
 

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Actually, yes although my response was to my displeasure that it has become so. The BBC was and still is considered by many to be world standard broadcasting and TG was originally, once the team and format established, the program that car makers were very keen on having their products evaluated by. Not to say the BBC doesn't have a sense of humour (maybe it doesn't) but the comedy and skit would have been good quality, TG is now infantile and more what one expects to see on the lesser cable channels that change their names every 12 months or so. It should also be noted that for UK residents, they actually pay for this because of the way the BBC is funded there and while they have no say, perhaps they should if they feel so aggrieved. There is another motoring show available on this side called 5th Gear which takes up the slack where TG left off many years ago but manages to present an amusing, informative and entertaining show for petrol heads, but presented by knowledgeable and often funny adults (several current and ex racers plus one young motoring journalist all of whom have enough personality to carry the show).

The point I was making was the slip in journalism standards of TG running in parallel with the debacle in the NYT, another stalwart and reputable media organisation, like the BBC. I think if you watch closely, on occasion, someone, perhaps the DG or even Mrs. C, pulls his reigns in and he actually behaves like a presenter. Having watched the evolution of the UK show, and at it's inception way back, it was of narrow interest and presented by a bunch of 'beardy' motor types who really didn't understand how to make a "show". I have seen it rise and fall and rise again but even though this is technically evolution, many of us see it as becoming devolved or having swung to the other end of the pendulum.

I accept your views and like tens of millions of others, you enjoy the current format but for those who've been here for years, seeing the cars relegated to 'props' and the egos of the presenters trampling the program in favour of catering to the "look at the t*ts on her" type viewers, as they wheel all the 'hotties' to the front, is a bit sad (although not really a big deal actually, it's just a program). For this same reason, I never felt like reading the performance car magazines as there was a different agenda going on there as I could already reach the soft porn mags on the top shelf, and couldn't 'get with' the 'gangsta' type staff in these mags, perhaps things are done are differently in the States?

TG and the NYT are reference points/bench marks that one expects to see integrity in as much as any such news organisation can be impartial (the BBC is left wing but the predominantly right and center right never tried or succeeded in 'controlling' it) however, the Tesla was defamed/slandered by both entities and by particular employees who may have got "too ahead" of themselves and forgotten their job descriptions (although it would appear that Tesla customers are in the more intelligent and thinking group and are thus uninterested in the antics of JB and JC), all in the name of entertainment. And that's ok?

One must also bear in mind that Tesla might be complicit as they state in that article that a pre show script was seen in which their car looked like it would be maligned by TG (and took no action) and many folks in industry still go with the "any publicity is good publicity" route, indeed, what are we all doing here?

I am involved in and around one of the more unpleasant industries (recording/publishing of music) that appears to bring happiness to many (the artists I mean) but actually induced vast amounts of misery to infinitely more folks than it rewards (and even then, it's a pool full of Barracudas for those that 'get there'), but that's another story. A good friend of mine who is a song writer and small time ethical publisher has pointed out to me on many occasions that if someone is going to plagiarize/copy/steal your work, let them, and make sure they are making lots of money before you go after them. That way you will at least get a good return from something that may not have made any money or gained publicity from an unknown singer/song writer but in the hands of an established artist can yield vast amount of revenue. Perhaps Tesla are playing this game but using the arena of rebuttal to present and extol the merits of their car, however, that's not actually what this post was about.
 
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