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Alright, I know a lot of you are sick of hearing about it, but I gotta pick your brains here a minute regarding the vaccination. My community college is offering free vaccinations (either injections or nasal) this Friday. At first I was dead set on getting it, but now I hear of all these people who say the vaccine may be worse than the virus itself, and that the vaccine contains mercury which has all kinds of bad effects on you. So I'm undecided. Some people swear the vaccine is awful and horrible for you and others think its a blessing.

Damn this swine pandemonium! So to get the vaccine or not? that is the question.

BTW this is the email that was sent out:

To PVCC Students, Faculty, and Staff –



H1N1 (Swine Flu) Vaccinations



The Charlottesville/Albemarle Health Department will be administering H1N1 (swine flu) vaccinations at PVCC on Friday, October 30 from 10:00 am to 1:00 pm in the Bolick Student Center. Both the injectable vaccine and the nasal vaccine should be available. There is no charge for the vaccination which is open to all PVCC students, faculty, and staff who are 18 years of age or older. Those under the age of 18 must have a parent or guardian present to receive the vaccination. Sign-up sheets will be available starting October 15 at a table in the Bolick Student Center. While it is not necessary to sign-up in advance, the wait may be longer for those who have not preregistered.



Please note that the October 30 H1N1 vaccinations are specifically for PVCC students, faculty, and staff and not open to the general public. Please bring your PVCC identification card to facilitate verification of eligibility.



All members of the PVCC community are encouraged to get the swine flu (H1N1) vaccination, both for your own protection and for the protection of the entire college community.
 

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these people who say the vaccine may be worse than the virus itself
People who know what they're talking about (CDC, AMA), or just random people (Uncle Bob's neighbor, some stranger on a forum)?

Since you're in school with a bunch of people who may or may not be taking care of their general health, I'd get the vaccination.
 

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People who know what they're talking about (CDC, AMA), or just random people (Uncle Bob's neighbor, some stranger on a forum)?

Since you're in school with a bunch of people who may or may not be taking care of their general health, I'd get the vaccination.
Well, mostly I just searched youtube, and watched probably 10 videos last night about it. Most people speaking about it were in the medical field, others were random.
 

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I would skip it, but that's just me... unless you work in the health care field. Here's something I found on a local board that deals with prevention rather than vaccination:

H1N1

Dr. Vinay Goyal is an MBBS,DRM,DNB (Intensivist and Thyroid specialist)
having clinical experience of over 20 years. He has worked in
institutions like Hinduja Hospital, Bombay Hospital, Saifee Hospital,
Tata Memorial etc. Presently, he is heading our Nuclear Medicine
Department and Thyroid clinic at Riddhivinayak Cardiac and Critical
Centre, Malad (W).

The following message given by him, I feel makes a lot of sense and is
important for all to know.

The only portals of entry are the nostrils and mouth/throat. In a
global epidemic of this nature, it's almost impossible to avoid coming
into contact with H1N1 in spite of all precautions. Contact with H1N1 is
not so much of a problem as proliferation is.

While you are still healthy and not showing any symptoms of H1N1
infection, in order to prevent proliferation, aggravation of symptoms
and development of secondary infections, some very simple steps, not
fully highlighted in most official communications, can be practiced
(instead of focusing on how to stock N95 or Tamiflu):

1. Frequent hand-washing (well highlighted in all official
communications).

2. "Hands-off-the-face" approach. Resist all temptations to touch any
part of face (unless you want to eat, bathe or slap).

3. *Gargle twice a day with warm salt water (use Listerine if you don't
trust salt). *H1N1 takes 2-3 days after initial infection in the throat/
nasal cavity to proliferate and show characteristic symptoms. Simple
gargling prevents proliferation. In a way, gargling with salt water has
the same effect on a healthy individual that Tamiflu has on an infected
one. Don't underestimate this simple, inexpensive and powerful
preventative method.

4. Similar to 3 above, *clean your nostrils at least once every day with
warm salt water. *Not everybody may be good at Jala Neti or Sutra Neti
(very good Yoga asanas to clean nasal cavities), but *blowing the nose
hard once a day and swabbing both nostrils with cotton buds dipped in
warm salt water is very effective in bringing down viral population.*

5. *Boost your natural immunity with foods that are rich in Vitamin C
(Amla and other citrus fruits). *If you have to supplement with Vitamin
C tablets, make sure that it also has Zinc to boost absorption.

6. *Drink as much of warm liquids (tea, coffee, etc) as you can.
*Drinking warm liquids has the same effect as gargling, but in the
reverse direction. They wash off proliferating viruses from the throat
into the stomach where they cannot survive, proliferate or do any harm.
 

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I didn't bother getting the vaccination. They were offering them free in our office on Friday, and today was the free vaccination session for the general public. Judging from the number of people lined up for the shot, I don't think too many people are worried about the mercury in the shot. I think it was something like a 2-hour wait for the shot this morning...
 

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Ummm get it.if you subscribe to the conspiracy theories and believe the gov. is trying to kill you..don't get it.

I have gotten flu shots for 35 years..not one problem. There are risks in life. Anyone who believes life is risk free needs to jump of the Golden Gate Bridge. Flu shot > flu
 

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ok so according to my doctor I had the swine flu, I got tested but they lost my specimen at the lab. Doc believes I definitely had it so I'll let you know, it sucked for the first two days but after that I just felt like crap. The first night was the worst because I kept getting hot and cold and had a 103 fever but all that did was make it hard to sleep, then the rest of the time I was tired and had a headache w/ fever. It's not as bad as everyone says it is IMO. I'm 29 and have never had a flu vaccine and never had a problem other than getting it this year but I blame the fact that my son is now going to a larger public school, he's now in first grade.
 

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Ummm get it.if you subscribe to the conspiracy theories and believe the gov. is trying to kill you..don't get it.

I have gotten flu shots for 35 years..not one problem. There are risks in life. Anyone who believes life is risk free needs to jump of the Golden Gate Bridge. Flu shot > flu
No please don't jump off the GG bridge... that'll just tie up traffic for us! :biggrin:

I guess this is mostly about choosing your risk. However... I'm still waiting for someone to prove how the H1N1 virus is any more dangerous/deadly than other strains of the flu. I'm not buying into the fear mongering.
 

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Oh and apparently the mercury levels in the shot aren't any worse than the potential mercury levels in a tuna sandwich...
I also don't buy into the fear they're trying to spread about this virus. I haven't had a flu-shot in about 20 years, so I'm just going to roll with it if I happen to get flu-like symptoms.
 

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. I'm still waiting for someone to prove how the H1N1 virus is any more dangerous/deadly than other strains of the flu. I'm not buying into the fear mongering.
I'll pick another bridge. :)
No one has died of the Swine flu vaccine that I am aware of, ..and it doesn't make most people even sick (like the Swine flu). Also if H1N1 mutates to something terrible later this flu season..the H1N1 vaccine will likely offer 'some' protection. I just don't see any down side of the vaccine.
 

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It's a personal preference thing for me. I haven't received a flu shot before and I don't plan on getting the H1N1 flu shot. To pleiad7's quote, I do a lot of those things especially wash my hands a few times often and try to not to touch my face with my hands (I tend to use my shirt to scratch an itch or the like). Oh, and I drink OJ and tea.

I hate needles but am not stupid. If I felt like this was the ONLY way to fight a disease I would line up too. I don't think the government is trying to bug me or control my mind, I just don't feel like I need to.

On a related note, I just watched The Invasion this weekend...
 

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I believe in taking good care of yourself and allowing your body to build up immunities on its own. I don't mind vaccines that guard against seriously deadly things; but I do not buy into flu shots or chicken pox shots.

The people who are affected the worst have another underlying condition; i.e. getting the flu/swine flu while previously being infected with a sinus infection or having asthma. If you are not very young, pregnant, very old or having another primary issue that puts you at risk, I don't see the point.

Follow the above rules (all but one I do every day) and you should be fine. I don't really get sick after making sure my diet was appropriate, taking vitamins, drinking a lot of chai tea, and regular handwashing (still superior to hand sanitizer).
 

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Oh and apparently the mercury levels in the shot aren't any worse than the potential mercury levels in a tuna sandwich...
I also don't buy into the fear they're trying to spread about this virus. I haven't had a flu-shot in about 20 years, so I'm just going to roll with it if I happen to get flu-like symptoms.
I remember when we were kids we would break open thermometers at school and play with the mercury...at least I think I remember ...lol
 

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I believe in taking good care of yourself and allowing your body to build up immunities on its own. I don't mind vaccines that guard against seriously deadly things; but I do not buy into flu shots or chicken pox shots.

The people who are affected the worst have another underlying condition; i.e. getting the flu/swine flu while previously being infected with a sinus infection or having asthma. If you are not very young, pregnant, very old or having another primary issue that puts you at risk, I don't see the point.

Follow the above rules (all but one I do every day) and you should be fine. I don't really get sick after making sure my diet was appropriate, taking vitamins, drinking a lot of chai tea, and regular handwashing (still superior to hand sanitizer).
I couldn't agree more...I'll add my secret weapon and that is 4000 IU of vitamin D3. Critical for immune system, bone and heart health, most people in USA are woefully deficient. Especially if you don't get at least 2 hours of sun a day (body creates vitamin D from sun exposure). Since I have bene taking Vitamin D (and eating right and excercising) I have not so much as had a sniffle in 3 years. NO flu shot necessary for normally healthy folks.
 

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I like that in point #2 of Dr. Vinay Goyal's list posted above, the option to slap is left open. I usually have to suppress an overwhelming urge to slap some of the co-workers during any given day in my office. So it is good to know the option remains open and is compliant with good H1N1 prevention practices.
 

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Well, my decision is irrelevant now. Just checked my student email and saw this:

To PVCC Students, Faculty, and Staff –



We have just been informed by the Thomas Jefferson Health District that all public and school H1N1 (swine flu) vaccination clinics, including the one scheduled for October 30 at PVCC, have been cancelled due to a lack of vaccine.



We are working with the Thomas Jefferson Health District to reschedule the H1N1 (swine flu) vaccination clinic at PVCC and will keep you informed as to further developments.
 

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Flu shot for me but not the H1N1. I am in healthcare and healthly so I say save it for those that need it. Also, not wanting to take additional risks of side effects since I am healthy. H1N1 vac in the 70s showed an increase in Guillain Barre Syndrome in the innoculated population. Quick vac=compromise.
 

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I couldn't agree more...I'll add my secret weapon and that is 4000 IU of vitamin D3. Critical for immune system, bone and heart health, most people in USA are woefully deficient. Especially if you don't get at least 2 hours of sun a day (body creates vitamin D from sun exposure). Since I have bene taking Vitamin D (and eating right and excercising) I have not so much as had a sniffle in 3 years. NO flu shot necessary for normally healthy folks.
The 1918 Flue that killed 3 million worldwide and killed 10 to 20% of its victim was a subtype of the Swine Flu (H1N1). It killed the healthiest and revved up the immune system which actually did the killing.

If this thing mutates the wrong way history could repeat itself. I just can't understand the logic of not getting a shot if available.
 

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I'm gonna go eat some pork and get it lol...Ignorance is fun. On a more serious note I'm not a fan of taking flu vaccines, they always make me more sick than the actual flu and there is the off chance of other unknown issues with them (i.e. mercury, I am semi-conspiracy!). Either way I rarely get sick, I despise all of this hype, it is just another strain of flu, not the end of the world...You people would be surprised of all the things that live inside and outside your body but never truly hurt you most of the time (i.e. MRSA, nematodes/parasites, and all sorts of bacteria).

Also, there have been multiple reports of H1N1 here on campus but honestly idc, if I get sick I get sick, I am not old/very yong, I have a healthy immune system, and I eat healthy. I would rather gain immunity naturally...
 
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