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A few times recently I've noticed the wife pull into the driveway, shut down the engine, and then slip the car into Park...

I suppose I'm stupid but I always put the car into Park, engage the parking brake, and then turn off the engine...

Is she doing any damage???
 

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Doesn't matter about the engine but parking brake before "Park" Don't want the load on tranny.
 

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Sometimes I put the car in a parking spot, put the transmission in neutral, engage the parking brake, and then turn the engine off. And then I remember I'm not driving a manual transmission any more and I have to put it in park and hit the start button however many times to turn all the electronics off.
 

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Doesn't matter about the engine but parking brake before "Park" Don't want the load on tranny.
OK. Let me see if I understand this:

Putting on the 'parking brake' after putting the car in park is bad for the transmission?
 
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Depends if you keep your foot on the brake untill the very end. All I can say is that on a hill you do not want "Park" to be holding the car.

For instance if you park on a hill put it in park..release the brake (now park is holding the vehicle=bad) and even if you put the parking brake on at this point there is pressure on the tranny. The Tranny is really not "made" to hold the vehicle. Yes many people do it. But Me, my wife, and kids I taught to drive don't. I don't care about others. They can do as they please.:wink2:
 

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@adc This is how I've always treated the situation. Just always seemed like a bad idea to repeatedly bump against whatever makes "Park" hold the car in place.
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Putting on the 'parking brake' after putting the car in park is bad for the transmission?
What I do is position the car where desired, engage the parking brake, put the transmission in neutral, gently release the brake pedal enough so that the car slowly rolls, wait for the slack to disappear and the parking brake is holding the car in position, then put the transmission in Park and turn the engine off.

I don't like "electric parking brakes" because they take forever to actuate.
 

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What I do is position the car where desired, engage the parking brake, put the transmission in neutral, gently release the brake pedal enough so that the car slowly rolls, wait for the slack to disappear and the parking brake is holding the car in position, then put the transmission in Park and turn the engine off.

I don't like "electric parking brakes" because they take forever to actuate.
This
 

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What I do is position the car where desired, engage the parking brake, put the transmission in neutral, gently release the brake pedal enough so that the car slowly rolls, wait for the slack to disappear and the parking brake is holding the car in position, then put the transmission in Park and turn the engine off.
If you follow the above everytime you park the car it becomes 2nd nature and you won't be caught out trying to remember the correct procedure to unlock the transmission from the Park position when it is holding the weight of the car and you can't move the gear lever.
 

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I'm a big proponent of letting the parking brake take up the slack before selecting Park, but I honestly don't care what my wife does.

She's so weak with the parking brake lever, that I told her she should either put some *** into it or not even bother.

The parking pawl is plenty of strong and 95% of people don't use their parking brake.

I use the parking brake in our FXT 100% of the time, because it's easy to use the brake lever.

I use the parking brake in my Legacy only when I park on a hill. I broke myself of the habit of using it 100% of the time, because:

1. It's 100% unnecessary on flat ground and

2. I don't want to wear out the mechanism.
-----I use it enough to exercise the thing, so I'm not worried about sticking due to DISuse, either.
 

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I am surprised that the proper method for parking on a hill was not mentioned. When uphill you cramp your steering wheels to the left and ease the vehicle back until the right tire rests against the curb, (if there is one) then it makes no difference in which order you engage the handbrake or the transmission park position. When parking downhill you turn the front tires hard right and roll forward until it is up against the curb (again, if there is one). In rural areas, where there are no curbs, this is not possible, of course.

My habit has always been to keep my foot on the brake as I slide my tranny lever to PARK, engage the handbrake, then take my foot off of the brake pedal. I have been doing it this way for both my ATs as well as my manuals for 58 years, not because I don't trust the pawls, but because it's a pain in the butt trying to take it out of P with pressure on the parking pawl.

Now, I have built many an automatic tranny in my time so here is an interesting factoid: Contrary to common thinking, the primary purpose of the transmission's "Park" position (and parking pawl) is to keep the engine's power from reaching the drive wheels when the engine is running, not to stop the vehicle from rolling when parked - this is the job of the e-brake.

Transmission shops will always tell you to engage the e-brake first to keep stress off of the pawl. Not because it will harm the tranny, but because it will wear out the pawl faster and it ain't cheap to open up a tranny to replace a pawl. Parking pawls are very well made compared to the old days. Nevertheless, don't count on them primarily.
 

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When I was young, my family had a car that would continue to run after the key was off (dieseling). It seemed that the "fix" was to turn the ignition off while the car was in gear. Forgot all about that car until I saw this thread.
 

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Originally posted by Botnik
.....And then I remember I'm not driving a manual transmission any more.....
Yeah, life gets rougher all the time...

Seriously, though, if you're fully stopped when you pull on the handbrake (US = emergency brake) then the only wear on that is to linkages in the mechanism and perhaps a little stretch in the cables.

Someone else mentioned it's a good idea to keep using them so they don't freeze up. Or rust up.

Good thinking, I've been down that road.
 

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Transmission shops will always tell you to engage the e-brake first to keep stress off of the pawl. Not because it will harm the tranny, but because it will wear out the pawl faster
Does the wear happen when the pawl is preventing the car from rolling, and the driver has to pull the shifter with some effort to move the transmission out of Park?
 

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I didn't see anyone mention the other reason one might do this. On a vehicle with keyless ignition, it is how you can keep accessories powered on after shutting the engine off. For instance, if I'm speaking with someone over bluetooth, or or want to continue listening to something on the sound system, putting the vehicle in neutral, turning off the engine, and then putting it in park keeps all accessories on without interruption.
 

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I didn't see anyone mention the other reason one might do this. On a vehicle with keyless ignition, it is how you can keep accessories powered on after shutting the engine off. For instance, if I'm speaking with someone over bluetooth, or or want to continue listening to something on the sound system, putting the vehicle in neutral, turning off the engine, and then putting it in park keeps all accessories on without interruption.
What??!! :surprise:

THANK YOU!!

It drives me crazy when I go through a drive-through to get food, turn off the car so that it's not idling and it kills the Bluetooth connection (obviously). I had no idea there was a means to avoid this! Looks like I have an excuse to get some fast food this weekend in order to try this out (obviously, there's no other possible way to test out this functionality). :wink2:

BTW, do you happen to know if this is described in the manual? If yes, any inkling on which section to look in and/or what text to search for in order to find the description/procedure?
 
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