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Hi everyone, I just wanted to share my recent experience with you here. I recently just bought a 06 FXT and the very next day CEL came on and pulled those 2 codes. The car has 44k on it so few days later I returned the car to the dealer and they said they will fix it for free plus a free rental. They said they replaced a secondary intake valve and picked up the car about 3 days later. But in the very next day again, P2441 came back on again. Again, brought back to dealer and replaced another secondary intake valve on the other side of the engine. Just got the car back and yet to see any prob.

I am curious does anyone else here have this prob?? is this common? thanks.
 

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I too have a 2006 FXT. CEL came on last week. Just had the codes pulled and it was P2443 (Both Secondary Air Valves Need Replacing). Dealer said they were both stuck. Quoted me $1400 for repair (7 hours labor, $300 a valve I guess). CEL was reset and we'll wait and see WHEN it decides to come back on. I still need to check to see if my extended warranty would cover the costs.
 

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Add me to the list of cel comes on and gives p2443 code. Subaru dealer says the part is the oem and has not been modified for any increased reliabilty. I will not spent $1600 for a part that will fail in another 36000 miles. This should be a recalled repair.
 

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Secondary Air Valves

I took my Forester (2007 2.5 Turbo w/ 4EAT) to the dealership on 2/21/2011 for its 60,000 mile servicing. I had a "Check Engine Light" a "Traction Control Light" on, and the "Cruise Control Light" flashing. This was just in the past week. When I picked the car up later that day I was told that it was left and right air valves that were causing the idiot lights to come on. They quoted me just under $700.00 for one and just over $800.00 for the other (not sure which was which). The replacement costs for just one of those valves is almost as much as it cost to have the car serviced (paid a little over $800.00 for the 60,000 mile servicing). Is it just me or is this way too expensive (the air valves and the servicing). Any suggestions? I have looked up this problem on the forum, and it seems to be a regular problem. Any comments or suggestions? Do the newer Legacy 3.6R's have these valves? if not it might be time to trade my Forester in for one. Don't get me wrong, I love my Forester, but it seems like it could get very expensive to keep maintained. Oh and the car is used as a commuter vehicle. It is driven 60 to 75 miles Monday through Friday, and is usually just parked for the weekend. I don't know if that makes a difference or not.
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Secondary Air Valves

Just curious, but would a COBB Tuner eliminate this problem. By eliminate I mean allow me to clear the codes when they come on, and allow me to enable the cruise control and the traction control, and turn off the check engine light. Just a thought. I would rather spend the roughly $500.00 on the COBB tuner than the $1,500.00 to $2,000.00 on the new secondary air valves.
 

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Happy Ending (Hopefully)...

After my ordeal of getting the $1800 quote at my normal service dealer, I took my 07 XT into the Subaru dealer I purchased it from and raised hell. I went in, found the business manager, and explained to him my situation. I told him that I bought the car from them 5 months ago and only put a few thousand miles on it. To have such a expensive, yet small, repair was completely unfair and outrageous. He didn't think it sounded right, so he took me to the service department. After reexplaining the situation to the head service guy, he looked up my car's history and the parts I needed and started to work on finding me a solution. They looked at the original history of the car and found out that the first owner had purchased the gold plan, and that it was still under the mileage, but that it wasn't transferable anymore since it was past 30 days of sale. :shake:After calling Subaru and getting authorization from them to assist in the matter, the two went into the service managers office and talked for 5 minutes. After which all 3 came out to talk to me. This was their suggestion. Let us check the car out and verify what the first service department diagnosed was correct. If it was, they suggested Subaru would pay for the parts, and I would pay for labor. On top of that, they would give me a loaner car until the job was done. I said this was fine, but not to do any work until they called me.

Well this morning they just called me to say the valves needed to be replaced and that it was an estimated 2-2.5 hours worth of work which would come to about $250. The only issues is that the part won't be available until Monday, but that I could keep the loaner until then. So after the $150 I spent at the first dealer, and the $250 I'll spend at this one, $400 is a much more manageable and fair number to pay in my mind. After being faced with spending $1800, it almost seems like no money at all.:biggrin:

I won't be completely relived until Monday comes and I pick my car up, but at least I can enjoy the weekend not thinking about how I'm going to pay for my fiancees wedding band AND pay for this BS repair.
 

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One item to note... I have the same CEL\blinking cruise light problem and associated secondary valve failures. Two things i've noticed-my secondary pump is now so saturated with water that it won't spin freely and blow the fuse when energized. Exhaust fumes are backing up through the secondary air piping, through the air pump, out into the engine compartment, and into the cabin. this happens when sitting still at idle. Second, i installed the "OEM" turbo gauge on my steering column, and notice slightly less boost while the CEL light is on. I have a scan gauge permanently mounted in the car, and can reset the codes while driving. All is well for a short time, then when the CEL light returns, i don't have the same amount of boost. maybe sort of a mild limp in mode, not sure.

I'm working out the best way to fix this prob, without shelling out 1800.00 to fix a problem that may return. i'd like to know if SOA is helping owners, that sets a precedent that i can go to the dealer with. :mob: not happy about reverse engineering a design defect. One more thing, the intake for the secondary air pump is located right under the pump, a plastic housing contains a foam filter an some light baffling. This assembly and the air opening which faces down, is in direct line of sight to the ground. Concievably water could splash up and into this housing, but it would have to be a lot of water splashing just into the right place.
 

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Got my XT back today finally after having to wait a week for the parts. My part of the bill for the labor was $262. I can live with that. Not exactly clear whether the dealer or SOA paid for the parts, but all I know is that I didn't.

And one of the detailers there even buffed out some scratches I endured during the winter weather, without asking or charging me. I threw him 10 bucks to show my appreciation.
 

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Secondary Air Pump/Valves Fix/Solution

Hey guys,

I am currently having the CEL and loss of traction control and cruise control because of the Secondary Air Gremlin.

Honestly, I couldn't care less about the quality of my exhaust during 90 seconds of would-be use. I live in San Jose, California, I'm sure the system has barely even been in use throughout the life of the car.

I want a solution, I would like to have my cruise control and traction control back into use the most cost effective way as possible, there is no way I am paying my local Stevens Creek Screwbaru another dime of my money.

I have read of ways to block off the system, remove the system totally, just remove the CEL codes so the ECU doesn't look for them...

I am really willing to do pretty much anything, what have your solutions been for this problem? I have been all over about 5 forums looking for simple ways to fix this and I am confused and lost at this point...

I pulled the fuse, and the system must be closed because the car runs like there isn't a problem at all.

Thanks to all of you for your help,

Nick
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hi im new to the forum but i work at an import repair shop. we have a car here with 36,029 miles on it and it has the p2443 and p2442 codes (both valves). contacted my subaru supplier and they cant cover it (over on miles) so i've found out that the pump isnt protected very well and lets debris and water into the system causing the valves and pump to fail. so far we havent seen a good solution to filtering it without reducing the airflow too much. but it is a long job (7 hours) the intercooler and intake manifold have to be removed to replace the valves and subaru charges $313.20 per valve and the pump is another $634.10. i tried getting them to cover it under emissions warranty because this is an emissions part (not powertrain) but that pretty much only covers the catalytic converter. what needs to happen is a gross amount of complaints, i'm sure everyone already has called or written to SOA so if you havent please do. oh and this is only a problem on the turbo models. if you guys want the replacement procedure or pictures i could upload those.
 

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Seriously this should be a sticky, EVERYONE with these issues needs to complain directly to Subaru, and also probably to the NHTSA or other authority that can push for recalls.

These problems have been happening since the secondary air injection system has been installed in the forester, so all 06+ XT models are affected and they have not yet made any changes to the system!


The only way to permanently stop this from happening is to remove the system, block off the valves, and reflash the ecu with the codes removed/disabled.
 

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update on the job

so we got the valves out (both of them and didnt have to take off the intake like subaru says in their service manual) and they were FULL of water. boss figures the heat from the pump and any cold ambient temps will cause condensation and fill the system with water. so now we're really stumped on a solution for their design.
 

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