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The Forester is the first Subaru my family purchased that has EyeSight and I read about being able to request the last 22 seconds of footage from Subaru in the event of an accident or for whatever reason. I'm debating between installing a dedicated dash camera and just relying on Eyesight's ability to record footage that can be requested from Subaru.

Have any of you been in a situation where you requested Eyesight footage? Also, how long did it take for Subaru to send the footage? If it takes weeks vs. days, I think I'd rather just install the dash cam to be able to access the footage whenever, but if Subaru is quick with it then I feel that adding a dash cam would be kind of redundant. Any thoughts?

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Trust me...you want a dash cam without question. They are relatively cheap and SUPER easy to install in the Forester. I have never heard about what you say you read above but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

www.thedashcamstore.com

Look at the Blackvue DR590W or what I bought, the DR750S.
 

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What is the definition of "last 22 seconds"? It wouldn't be difficult to inadvertently overwrite the piece that matters.
 

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Trust me...you want a dash cam without question. They are relatively cheap and SUPER easy to install in the Forester. I have never heard about what you say you read above but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

www.thedashcamstore.com

Look at the Blackvue DR590W or what I bought, the DR750S.
Thanks, securityguy. Our Tribeca had a dash cam installed and it helped the insurance company prove that we weren't at any fault when the car got rear-ended and totaled. I thought that with EyeSight we could get away without one but it'll probably be more convenient to have one. Here's the source to the article that talks about requesting EyeSight footage: https://www.cars.com/articles/subar...t-recording-but-another-one-is-1420700467169/
 

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What is the definition of "last 22 seconds"? It wouldn't be difficult to inadvertently overwrite the piece that matters.
Here's what the article (https://www.cars.com/articles/subar...t-recording-but-another-one-is-1420700467169/) says: "Subaru's EyeSight system, standard in the new Forester and several other models, does record footage. And authorities could gain access to that footage even if you didn't want them to." "EyeSight's cameras also record footage on a 22-second loop — a longstanding practice of the system, Infante said. Owners can request from Subaru to see the last 22 seconds of footage, but a court can also order access." "It's unclear what stops the vehicle's cameras from actively recording: turning the car off, an airbag deployment or otherwise."

Since authorities and courts could be granted access to the footage, it probably wouldn't be a good idea to try to trim out parts of the video that, if seen, would put you at fault.

It'd be nice to be able to store the footage on a micro-sd card somehow. Maybe in the future Subaru will add that functionality to EyeSight.
 

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It sounds like the final 22 seconds before a truly destructive accident might get frozen in there, but in any situation short of that the camera would just keep running and all you would have is the aftermath.
 

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check dashcamtalk.com for reviews and suggestions

https://dashcamtalk.com/ is a great resource for people who want to acquire or learn how to use a dash camera. There are dash camera reviews, suggestions, and a very active DashCamTalk forum. There are also links to software updates, discounts, and a wealth of information to learn how to make the best use of a dash camera.

https://dashcamtalk.com/best-dash-cams-of-2018/ is very helpful for choosing which dash camera to buy.
 

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Agreed. I haven't had a lot of serious accidents but I can see how some of these multi-car accident situations would easily extend over 22 seconds. My barrel roll in a Colorado snow storm would likely have been fully recorded although I don't recall if the crash stopped the engine or I turned it off. OTOH, both I and my wife have been in multiple car accidents where we were stopped safely/in time yet were then hit from the rear and also that slammed us into the vehicles ahead of us. In both, the cars kept running and were subsequently moved to the side of the road/freeway and a simple 22 second loop would have overwritten the original details before the cars were shut off, etc.

Likewise, unless there is a formalized archive/chain of custody process, it might be hard to gather and control the data for an extended period of time. A minor criminal investigation/ticket dispute might happen quickly but a civil action might well be quite a protracted process. I'm not sure there is an established process for that even off recorded camera video yet. Save it and transfer it to your lawyer? FWIW, for a while I was an adjuster and recorded a variety of interviews and also took pictures of accident scenes, vehicle damage and the like, and was never called in any way to discuss the images, recordings, etc. It's probably outside the scope of this discussion but if you are running a dash cam or rear view cam, it might be worth talking about it with your lawyer. It's one thing to have never had footage and something else to have had footage and deleted or "lost" it.
 

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Thanks for all the good points everyone. I'll be getting a dash cam for sure, just have to figure out the best way to run the cable to keep it from dangling around in the cabin.
 

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Trust me...you want a dash cam without question. They are relatively cheap and SUPER easy to install in the Forester. I have never heard about what you say you read above but that doesn't mean it isn't true.



www.thedashcamstore.com



Look at the Blackvue DR590W or what I bought, the DR750S.


Did you need the Power Magic Pro as well SG ?


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You don't need the PMP but I bought it and installed it. Super easy to install as it just connects to the fuse box and then the camera to it. Was only $20 when you buy the camera. It allows for it to record while the car is parked which is a BIG plus IMO. It then shuts the camera off after about 8-12 hours to keep the car battery from going "dead" on you. Great product and I highly recommend.
 

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I don't know for certain how things are in the 2019s, but you should be able to find power up around the map lights. It might however be always on, and that would be a drain on your battery. If you can't locate an appropriate source up there, then you can probably find one behind the dash and run it up the A-pillar. Experience on previous years is that it's a royal PITA to remove the A-pillar cover and put it back successfully, but it has usually been possible to just squeeze a wire in from the edge without taking the cover off.
 

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A VIOFO A119 V2 dash camera costs as little as $69.95

This link to https://dashcamtalk.com/a119/ provides very useful information about the VIOFO A119 version2 dash camera.


Spy-Tec brands and sells a version of the VIOFO A119 V2 that costs less than most other suppliers.

A VIOFO A119 V2 branded by Spy Tec costs $69.95 (after a $10 rebate). amazon.com/Spy-Tec-A119-Version
Or $79.95 (after a $10 rebate) with a GPS mounting bracket that adds a GPS function to the dash cam.

A hard wire + fuse kit costs $11.95. The kit enables you to hard wire the dash cam to your fuse panel and will disconnect it from the car's battery power if power gets too low.

A snap-on polarizing lens that reduces glare and sharpens images costs an additional $14.95

All together a Spy-Tec branded VIOFO A119 V2 including a GPS mount plus a hard wire + fuse kit plus a polarizing lens costs $106.85.

Add on a 32 GB up to 128 GB memory card and you'd have a very good dash cam system.

https://youtu.be/Vs4mY4JAMCk YouTube showing how to hard wire a ViOFO dash cam to a 2017 Subaru Forester
 

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I have a Street Guardian SG9665GC v2 in my Honda CRV, I originally had an ITB-100HD in my SG Forester until it stopped recording. I replaced it with the SG9665GC v2 and haven't looked back since.

The Street Guardians are not cheap I will admit that up front, but you cannot go past the Support. Street Guardian also have a Representative in the USA that is active on the DashCam Talk website and so is the Aussie Designer of the Dashcam.

Personally I cannot say enough about them. :grin2:
 

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After someone in the Bronx “threw” themself in front of my NJ plated vehicle leaving a CVS parking lot and claimed injury, Im getting one of these. Not sure though if I need a professional install or is it DIY ?

Oh and sued and received $400k.

Security Guy, I like the one you bought.
Did you self install ?
If so, did you tap into the wiring in the mirror and how did you run the wire for the rear camera?


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I have a background in civil litigation, a significant portion of which involved Personal Injury defense. I can guarantee that every civil litigator wants any video/audio evidence of an event giving rise to PI claims. A party will always be directed by the opposing party to provide video/audio recordings, which can easily be obtained in pretrial Discovery simply by an Interrogatory and/or Request for Production. If held by a nonparty witness then the person having the footage can be subpoenaed and required to bring the evidence to a deposition. If the footage was erased by a party or otherwise no longer exists, then unless there's a very good reason, there can be sanctions for spoliation of evidence. If the case goes to trial (although quite rare today), the failure to produce the evidence can result in an instruction by the judge to the jurors that they can infer that the footage was detrimental to that party--which can be fatal in a civil sense.
 

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I installed a dashcam (a Lukas LK-7900) in my 2009 Forester about five years ago. I've never needed the footage for evidence in an accident or other mishap, but I have had some close calls where I was very aware of how valuable that evidence could be.

I'm supposed to take delivery on my 2019 Forester next week, and the Blackvue DR900S-2CH that will be installed in it is already here. The new one will record front and rear, simultaneously.

I am famously incompetent at anything with moving parts, so I'll have the Blackvue installed at a stereo shop, as I did with the Lukas camera.

I chose these models, by the way, as neither of them have an integrated display screen. If I need to review video, I'll download it and look at it on the computer. Having a display is one more distraction I don't need.
 

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I have a background in civil litigation, a significant portion of which involved Personal Injury defense. I can guarantee that every civil litigator wants any video/audio evidence of an event giving rise to PI claims. A party will always be directed by the opposing party to provide video/audio recordings, which can easily be obtained in pretrial Discovery simply by an Interrogatory and/or Request for Production. If held by a nonparty witness then the person having the footage can be subpoenaed and required to bring the evidence to a deposition. If the footage was erased by a party or otherwise no longer exists, then unless there's a very good reason, there can be sanctions for spoliation of evidence. If the case goes to trial (although quite rare today), the failure to produce the evidence can result in an instruction by the judge to the jurors that they can infer that the footage was detrimental to that party--which can be fatal in a civil sense.
So I guess my idea of throwing my dashcam out the window if I'm at fault probably won't save me. LOL.
 

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Trust me...you want a dash cam without question. They are relatively cheap and SUPER easy to install in the Forester. I have never heard about what you say you read above but that doesn't mean it isn't true.

www.thedashcamstore.com

Look at the Blackvue DR590W or what I bought, the DR750S.
SecurityGuy did you opt for the 2 channel?
 
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