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My saga of fluid change weirdness continues....
Was going to change the ATF today so checked the fluid level first to give me an idea of a starting point and the "stone cold" level was way above the "hot" full mark....
Drained out the excess fluid to reduce to the "cold" full mark and it had been over filled by exactly 2ltrs....the fluid is dark red and I am currently pooing myself at the thought of auto trans problems.....
So...does anyone know....is over filling a "cover up" for faults in the gearbox used by dodgy gits flogging dead motors?????

Any sort of help is much appreciated:icon_biggrin:

Jules
 

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Pics if it helps...
First shot....My thumbnail is the point it was filled to...
Second shot...leaking fluid.... zx.jpg

zxc.jpg


Oooooops....forgot to say PLEASE help in my thread title.
 

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did you check it with the engine running after shifting through all gears and putting it in park?

if you check it without engine running it will give you a high reading
 

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Somewhere there is a very good guide to reading/refilling the autobox, not a drain and refill jobbie !

Cheers

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did you check it with the engine running after shifting through all gears and putting it in park?

if you check it without engine running it will give you a high reading
Thankyou....I new that was the requirement for a "hot" test but I assumed a "cold" test was done "as it stands" so to speak...damn glovebox handbook is a little misleading inthis instance.:icon_redface:

Will it really make 2 litres worth of difference?

Does it turn out I am worrying about nothing?

Am I really that paranoid cos I just cut my losses on a Freelander with a burnt out auto box in it?
 

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Thanks for replies all....
I am possibly coming across a bit "dumber" than I am...
I've been driving auto's for 15yrs now and I am well aware of the nature of ATF with temperature change and the reasons for checking it when hot and for engaging all gears to fill housings and galleries etc etc prior to level checking but got "caught out" by the wording and way the information was presented to me by my "glovebox manual".
Just flipped through it to check....new car....new procedure maybe....
Just had a peek at the "cold" level before dumping out the ATF to replace with nice new stuff and..... "lost the plot"...... Memories of Freelander flooded back....owned it for 4 weeks then clutch packs "let go" and left me 1.5k out of pocket.....owned the forester for 10 days and ..... god I can't half waffle on.:crazy:

Probably best to ignore me for now....

Thanks again.
 

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as for colour mine was brown when it was changed a few months ago :icon_redface:
Caught it just in time then...
I'm sticking with dark red , bit darker than I'd like but still arguably red.:icon_rolleyes:
 

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Quick quick....every one call me dopey!!!:icon_redface:

Dumped rest of fluid today
Let it drain and drip for 8hrs
Got 5.4ltrs out
Put 5.4ltrs new stuff in
Warmed her up a little
Went for a ten mile drive
Checked level
Perfecty perfecty perfect.
Went for proper blast
MMMMmmmmmmm..................smooooooooooth!!!

As a side note, 1/2" / 15mm plastic plumbing pipe is a good tight snug push fit over the tube in the top of 1ltr bottles of ATF and gear/diff oil.
V.good as an extended extension tube.
 

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So all the dramas are done are done are they.

All these links people are sending you will soon have a complete manual.

Jon
 

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Quick quick....every one call me dopey!!!:icon_redface:

Dumped rest of fluid today
Let it drain and drip for 8hrs
Got 5.4ltrs out
Put 5.4ltrs new stuff in
Warmed her up a little
Went for a ten mile drive
Checked level
Perfecty perfecty perfect.
Went for proper blast
MMMMmmmmmmm..................smooooooooooth!!!

As a side note, 1/2" / 15mm plastic plumbing pipe is a good tight snug push fit over the tube in the top of 1ltr bottles of ATF and gear/diff oil.
V.good as an extended extension tube.
Sounds about right.
When I got the oil changed on my AT I ordered oil from subaru telling them I was going to change oil on it. They sent 4l. Not helping since it came out over 5l.
You would think they knew such things :shrug:
 

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Gearbox troubles...

I've got an auto 97 T/tb and I've been having some major problems with my auto box and fluids in the past week. It's going in the garage tomorrow to have a cv boot done and whileits in it will be plugged in for a diagnostic.

I have 1st and 2nd gear but it wont change up from there, it just stays in 2nd. I also have reverse but hey big whoop. I'm freaking out at the idea of a new gearbox but i'm told theres a few other things it could be before that.

First port of call I thought it could be fluid. Mine has 52k on the clock so it is about due. I drained around 4 and a half ltrs out and it was black horrible stuff, very 'thin' and watery. Thought you and the others might like to know that a couple of garages explained to me it has like a pump in the gearbox that will hold about 5ltrs of the old fluid!! so, when you change the fluid you really ought to drive it a while then do it again otherwise we are only making it 50% newer/better. £40 or so later i have nice clean red fluid throughout.

If you knew this already then ignore me completely but I found this quite a handy and interesting fact. I imagine there could be a few novices/newbies like myself driving around with low quality fluid thinking they have it all new.

Hope this was uselful and I will let you know what turns out to be wrong with my poor little beast thats lost its snarl lol
 

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^Yep. The AT holds a bit over 9l. I don't remember excact but it's in the manual.
Sorry to hear about your problem. Only reason I will not get it over 2nd gear if I'm not pushing in the button the gear changer. Maybe your is broken and the lock is still enganged??
Or do you mean that the car don't change gear over 2nd? Most likely...
 

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If I put it into drive (D) it pulls away like normal in 1st gear, then changes to 2nd then thats it, it'll just rev up and up but wont change. I think once or twice it has slipped into 3rd but as soon as i begin to accelerate again it slips into 1st so I have to manually pit the gear lever back to 2. Luckily it's only 7 miles to the garage tomorrow cos i'll be getting there in 2nd. The only up side to it is that it makes a lovely sound driving in 2nd with my new exhaust :)

With only 52,000miles on the clock i'll be amazed if it needs a new gearbox... amazed and broke!
 

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Ye. it should last much longer then that. Mine has 135k miles and still going strong. That sucks. Hope it's something simpel and cheap to fix. Wish you good luck.
 

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Amazed and broke it is....

It turns out the auto boxes have a common weakness and mine has hit it. It needs the secondary clutch replacing with a secondary clutch kit. the local specialist says it needs to be fully reconditioned blah blah blah £1100 - £1200 :tissue:

I am now on the hunt for a recon gearbox as it seems it is half the price to buy one already done than it is to recon mine, not sure how that works but i will be ringing around for second opinions.

So far, trying to track one down is a complete headache, this is what i get for wanting a rare and unique car! Have just posted a new thread on the subject, feel free to drop in!!
 

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All these links people are sending you will soon have a complete manual.

Jon
Indeed I do have a complete manual...Thanks Jon:icon_wink: and yes the drama does appear to have ended...:icon_biggrin:
 

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Indeed I do have a complete manual...Thanks Jon:icon_wink: and yes the drama does appear to have ended...:icon_biggrin:
Jules, can you post any links you have for this please, I went to get mine serviced today but the mechanic didnt know the levels needed so didnt do it, any help much appreciated.
 

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It says 9lts for an auto in that manual, is that how much I should tell him to put in? Or just the same amount that comes out?
 
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