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So I have just put everything back together after changing my head gaskets and last reconnected the fuel pump relay and now when i try and start the engine I can't get it to turn over.

I think I have a lack of fuel issue. I looked on the Hanes Manual about this it says to listen at the filler cap for whirring when you turn the ignition on which we did and there was no sound at all.

Is it common for the fuel pump relay to die? Or is it more likely something else? I can try and link a audio file of my car trying to start if it would be more helpful?

Thanks for any help.

98 Subaru Forester S with 240,000 miles on it.
 

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check the common stuff
is the battery connected?
is your timing belt all lined up?

not trying to be mean or rude
but just go over it and check the super simple stuff
 

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check the common stuff
is the battery connected?
is your timing belt all lined up?

not trying to be mean or rude
but just go over it and check the super simple stuff
No worries, the battery is connected, the car does try to start but never really fire up.

The timing belt should be fine, we went over that thing so many times to double and triple check everything.
 

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Are you sure the pump isn't running? I've put the fuel lines on reversed once. Wouldn't run, but would fire if I keyed on and off a few times prior to cranking. Feed (from filter) goes on top nipple. Return on bottom. Vent is smaller and has a spring clamp.

I can't think of any reason to touch wiring to the pump for a headgasket job.....this makes it kind of odd to hear about.
 

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check the common stuff....




but just go over it and check the super simple stuff
Agreed.

verify spark.
If no spark check cam and crank position sensors.

Fuel? Do you here the fuel pump prime?
If no verify the relay is good/bad. Do you hear it click when you turn the ing. switch on?

Engine harness plugged in? Any pinched wires? Any popped fuses?
 

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Agreed.

verify spark.
If no spark check cam and crank position sensors.

Fuel? Do you here the fuel pump prime?
If no verify the relay is good/bad. Do you hear it click when you turn the ing. switch on?

Engine harness plugged in? Any pinched wires? Any popped fuses?
I will check the spark plug wires. We checked the Fuel Pump Relay and it's clicks when we turn the ignition. Currently we do not hear the pump running so I am going to test it directly. I do know that there is no fuel getting to the engine as we took the fuel lines off and they are empty.
 

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after I did my HG I had the same problem. Some how the fuse for the ecu popped on me changed it and it started
 

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after I did my HG I had the same problem. Some how the fuse for the ecu popped on me changed it and it started
The ECU is the computer right? I borrowed one of the computer readers to see if it says anything and the reader displays that it can't connect to the computer. I will check the fuse and report back
 

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Have you checked all the fuses inside and out in the engine bay I believe the fuses locations are printed on the inside of the covers
 

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Where would I find the ECU fuse? As it's not in the haynes manual
For future use the fuse is SPF 5 (30A).

Started it up which was great it shot up to 3,000 Revs and then dropped back down and stalled. Upon inspection there was a burning rubber smell and a slight smoking coming from the Timing Belt cover. I have further investigated the issue and it looks like the timing belt is slipping on the sprockets which make me wonder if the Tensioner I bought from the local dealer is dodgy.
 

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Glad you got it fired up, keep us posted :icon_wink:
 

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So the timing belt appears to have sliped but we checked the sprockets and they are still aligned. I'm not sure if this has happened to anyone else before.

The Car is running (sort of) :icon_sad:. When I start it up it shoots up to 3,000 RPM sits there for a couple of seconds and then drops.

At low revs there is a lot of coughing and it seems to be struggling to keep running. Often it just stalls.

I have replaced the spark plugs, water pump, tensioner, timing belt, head gaskets and a bunch of other gaskets, some hoses.

We checked to see if any of the sparks plugs weren't running and they all seem to be firing.

Does anyone have any ideas?
 

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Is the timing off? Pull the covers and triple check.
 

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COUNT the teeth between the marks on the belt and the marks on the pulleys (a Subaru manual will tell you the proper tooth count, NOT a crappy Haynes or Chilton manual......I have both, they're both horrible). I paid $35 bucks at the Subaru Technical website and downloaded the proper manuals.......WELL worth it.

Even if the timing is off a tooth or two, the damage could have already been done (especially if you smelt burnt rubber from the timing belt area). It might have slipped and bent valves. Do you hear any mechanical tapping or rattling from the engine when it was running rough?

Also, when everything was being put back together, do all the cam sprockets spin freely, or were they stiff?
 

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Is the timing off? Pull the covers and triple check.
If there a way to pull the covers without having to take off the Alternator, Power-steering pump and AC Compressor?
 

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COUNT the teeth between the marks on the belt and the marks on the pulleys (a Subaru manual will tell you the proper tooth count, NOT a crappy Haynes or Chilton manual......I have both, they're both horrible). I paid $35 bucks at the Subaru Technical website and downloaded the proper manuals.......WELL worth it.?
I will check it out

Even if the timing is off a tooth or two, the damage could have already been done (especially if you smelt burnt rubber from the timing belt area). It might have slipped and bent valves. Do you hear any mechanical tapping or rattling from the engine when it was running rough?
We worked out the smell and smoke was coming from old oil and gunk burning on the exhaust

Also, when everything was being put back together, do all the cam sprockets spin freely, or were they stiff
All the sprockets were spinning very freely when ti went back together.
 
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