I'm been desperately trying to sell the wife on a Forester (or even an Outback but chances of that are slim) but she wants nothing to do with it. She wants a Santa Fe which I hate largely because I cannot get a manual transmission in it. (awd version) Looking at the stats the Santa Fe tops the Forester in most categories which doesn't help me at all. Any know anything about the Santa Fe that makes it such a poor suv? We keep cars for a long time (10 years) so resale value isn't a big deal.
Need ammo against Hyundai Santa Fe!
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REASON 1: We keep cars for a long time (10 years) so resale value isn't a big deal.
SUBARU IN MY State Good LUCK finding a good well maintained used one.
Reason 2: they look better
Reason 3: manual transmission
Reason 4: Subaruforester.org
Reason 5: JD Powers and ***
Reason 6: Its not an suv its a stupid Crossover
Reason 7: 3000 more dollars for AWD on top of the base price 21,695
Subaru standard at a base of 20,295
SUBARU IN MY State Good LUCK finding a good well maintained used one.
Reason 2: they look better
Reason 3: manual transmission
Reason 4: Subaruforester.org
Reason 5: JD Powers and ***
Reason 6: Its not an suv its a stupid Crossover
Reason 7: 3000 more dollars for AWD on top of the base price 21,695
Subaru standard at a base of 20,295
Hmm, show her this thread maybe:
http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/f155/forester-selected-crs-top-ten-list-69446/
No Santa Fe on that list!
http://www.subaruforester.org/vbulletin/f155/forester-selected-crs-top-ten-list-69446/
No Santa Fe on that list!
I saw that but I'm a bit scared to show her since she really wanted a Traverse and it was the best large suv. I talked her out of the Traverse based on it's mileage.
With the rash of head gasket problems that have popped up on here lately its hard to give you any ammunition, I love my forester and want to keep it for 10 yrs also, but im beginning to have some real concerns about the longevity of the N/A 2.5L motor I mean there's 2005 and 2006's on here experiencing head gasket problems already. I can see 98 and 99 models but not 4 and 5 yr old cars. Hyundai's 10yr 100,000mi. warranty on the other hand is a pretty nice insurance policy on costly repairs down the road too. So I'm going to just say good luck on whatever you choose to get.
Hmm.. I think I'd get a G37 out of all of those.. yeah.. price is not bad either.
Not sure what to say against the Sante Fe though. The older ones had sub-par reliability and electrical issues. Also had shoddy interior quality. But they're getting much better. Also, the warranty looks GREAT. The Forester, on the other hand, I'm not so sure I'd buy with all the issues with the new gen I've seen from here and the issues I've experienced start around 10k miles ago on my 05. Subaru also seems behind the pack in terms of features and styling. So if you don't really need AWD, you might consider something else. If you do stick with Subaru, buy a turbo Subaru at least.
Not sure what to say against the Sante Fe though. The older ones had sub-par reliability and electrical issues. Also had shoddy interior quality. But they're getting much better. Also, the warranty looks GREAT. The Forester, on the other hand, I'm not so sure I'd buy with all the issues with the new gen I've seen from here and the issues I've experienced start around 10k miles ago on my 05. Subaru also seems behind the pack in terms of features and styling. So if you don't really need AWD, you might consider something else. If you do stick with Subaru, buy a turbo Subaru at least.
a couple 7.62 NATO rounds should do the trick
Have your wife visit this site and take the safety test. Hyundai Sante Fe receives a medium risk, while the Forester, Outback and Legacy's all score in the superlative range.
Find the safest cars and vehicles and the most dangerous cars and vehicles
Safety was a BIG selling point with my wife.
Cheers,
CapeAnn
Find the safest cars and vehicles and the most dangerous cars and vehicles
Safety was a BIG selling point with my wife.
Cheers,
CapeAnn
I agree. The SanteFe might be a cheaper, less maintenance intensive vehicle in the long run. Check them out forum and find a SanteFe forum and ask the questions.
Obviously drive both and make sure the seats are comfortable. If its the Wife's car....her choice really.
I like the new Sorento much better than Santa Fe. They are available with MT but 2WD base model only. They have optional sunroof that is as big as Forester/Mitsubishi Montero if that is important for you.
I am not really impressed with the durability of my forester 07 FSXT . I just do not have a good feeling it going to last as long as my other vehicle.
I am not really impressed with the durability of my forester 07 FSXT . I just do not have a good feeling it going to last as long as my other vehicle.
Here is what I found in a quick scan of that forum ('07+):
A couple of threads on poor fitting rear windows that leak.
Rear Door Quarter Windows Leaking - Hyundai-Forums.com
Few throttle by wire issues.
'07 Throttle Issues - Hyundai-Forums.com
Seems there are several reports for various brake issues like sticking caliper that wont release once at a full stop and a appetite for brake pads as a result.
Brake Trouble, Imaging That! - Hyundai-Forums.com
found 2 or three threads on the rear hatch door being misaligned.
Poor Rear Cargo Door Tolerances - Hyundai-Forums.com
Stop sale issued for door latches on 2011s.
Door Latch Issue Forces Sonata Stop-sale - Hyundai-Forums.com
Automatic transmission coming apart(3 times).
Transmission Shifts - Hyundai-Forums.com
A couple of threads on poor fitting rear windows that leak.
Rear Door Quarter Windows Leaking - Hyundai-Forums.com
Few throttle by wire issues.
'07 Throttle Issues - Hyundai-Forums.com
Seems there are several reports for various brake issues like sticking caliper that wont release once at a full stop and a appetite for brake pads as a result.
Brake Trouble, Imaging That! - Hyundai-Forums.com
found 2 or three threads on the rear hatch door being misaligned.
Poor Rear Cargo Door Tolerances - Hyundai-Forums.com
Stop sale issued for door latches on 2011s.
Door Latch Issue Forces Sonata Stop-sale - Hyundai-Forums.com
Automatic transmission coming apart(3 times).
Transmission Shifts - Hyundai-Forums.com
Gotta tell you, I just had a rental sante fe that I drove from Miami to Key West. Not a driver's car, but I was surprised by how much I liked it. It was comfy, had plenty of features and drove very well. It even had a 6 spd auto. This car was brand new, it only had 200 miles on it, so I can't comment on the older ones. But don't Hyundai's now come with a 10 year powertrain warranty? The magazines have been commenting on their increasing quality lately.
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The new Hyundai vehicles are all quite well built and have great warranty coverage. I'd add the 2010 Kia Sportage to my shopping list too, as it is about thre freshest SUV design out there. Neither the Santa Fe or Sportage is my 'cup of tea', but your wife is the one who will be the primary driver.
As for the 2.5L boxer head gasket issues- I spoke to a 20 year veteran Subaru tech at my dealer about the issue. He confirmed '98-03 HG's are a question of when they will fail not if. Said he's done a number of '04-05's but a lot of those had been driven REALLY hard and were all across the mileage range. The later years are 'one every now and then' but not much more often than Hyundai, Buick, Chevy and Honda which they also service. They service a few '09 Foresters that were sold to a medical supply delivery company and already have well over 100,000 hard miles on them and are reportedly holding up very well.
The biggest negative to the Subaru engine is the $$$ timing belt/tensioner/water pump replacement at 105,000, though to be fair-quite a number of timing chain equipped engines have tensioner and guide issues before that mileage.
You pay your money and take your choice.
As for the 2.5L boxer head gasket issues- I spoke to a 20 year veteran Subaru tech at my dealer about the issue. He confirmed '98-03 HG's are a question of when they will fail not if. Said he's done a number of '04-05's but a lot of those had been driven REALLY hard and were all across the mileage range. The later years are 'one every now and then' but not much more often than Hyundai, Buick, Chevy and Honda which they also service. They service a few '09 Foresters that were sold to a medical supply delivery company and already have well over 100,000 hard miles on them and are reportedly holding up very well.
The biggest negative to the Subaru engine is the $$$ timing belt/tensioner/water pump replacement at 105,000, though to be fair-quite a number of timing chain equipped engines have tensioner and guide issues before that mileage.
You pay your money and take your choice.
I don't think of the SH series as driver's cars. SG's with light suspension mods, for sure.
Anyway, a friend's wife has had a Sante Fe for the last 3 years and loves it. No problems to speak of.
My ex's 04 Elantra continues to be bullet proof.
Hyundai's warranty is a major plus, 5/60 bumper to bumper, 10/100 powertrain. With that kind of warranty they have to keep their quality up.
Anyway, a friend's wife has had a Sante Fe for the last 3 years and loves it. No problems to speak of.
My ex's 04 Elantra continues to be bullet proof.
Hyundai's warranty is a major plus, 5/60 bumper to bumper, 10/100 powertrain. With that kind of warranty they have to keep their quality up.
I vote for the Subaru, but this is biased crowd. Happy wife, happy life. Let her make the decision.
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