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"Drivers sick of new cars' overbearing 'nannying' technology:

J.D. Power surveyed more than 16,000 car owners with 2019 model-year vehicles at 90 days of ownership, looking at categories including entertainment and connectivity, collision protection, comfort and convenience, driving assistance, smartphone mirroring and navigation.
The study found some built-in apps were not as easy to use as drivers would like, and 29 percent of owners said they discontinued the use of those apps.
Most drivers who reported high overall satisfaction with their in-vehicle technology — 900 or more on a 1,000-point scale — said they would recommend the vehicle to others. So getting technology right could pay off for automakers.
“Consumers are still very concerned about cars being able to drive themselves, and they want more information about these complex systems, as well as more channels to learn how to use them or how and why they kick in,” Kolodge said. “If they can’t be sold on lane-keeping — a core technology of self-driving — how are they going to accept fully automated vehicles?” (ANSWER : They won't)
New technology in cars can also be distracting.
Last month, the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety released research showing how long drivers can be distracted by in-car gadgets while driving, greatly increasing their risk of crashing."

There may be a market yet for cars without the annoying features you have to figure out how to disable before driving....
 

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Here in Maine they just passed very restrictive cell phone usage in cars laws. I think a lot of it includes using some of this new technology - not that you can't use - but you can't press buttons to turn on or do other things with it. I agree that modern tech is very distracting in cars - every time it beeps at me I look down to see what I have done to cause beeps.
But it is as it is - .
I think smoking in cars in distracting also - you reach to get a cigarette , press lighter, light cig, use ashtray etc.
(I don't smoke).
People have to be very conscious of what they are doing and that paying attention and driving is #1.
 

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In New Hampshire you can't touch your phone, even at a red light. But you can legally lose yourself in the touch screen of your head unit.
 

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If a 100,000.00 dollar Tesla autopilot can’t stop it’s self or steer the car out of danger how can people think a 30,000.00 dollar car stop it’s self , technology is great but if people would wear seatbelts & actually drive their cars we wouldn’t need a lot of this stuff on a car
 

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Advances in technology in cars has been great for safety over the years and I think the current wave will be great as well once it is refined. I avoided a serious accident at 80 mph due to stability control a few years back. Without that technology, the vehicle would have rolled killing me and possibly others.

Different manufacturers are approaching it differently and hopefully, as a result, the best methods will be figured out. Both my wife and I have 2019 vehicles with all the new safety features. The approach is completely different. Her Subaru tells you everything that is going on with beeps and lights. The Mazda safety features stay in the background and are less obtrusive. The Subaru looks like a video game in comparison.

If the new technology is in the background, it does not need to be perfect. Pay attention to driving and don’t depend on technology saving you. With this approach, technology will significantly reduce accidents long before it is perfect (if that day ever comes).
 

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And don't forget about the person driving one handed and texting with one thumb. I believe they cause more accidents than even LEO's want to admit.
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Advances in technology in cars has been great for safety over the years and I think the current wave will be great as well once it is refined. I avoided a serious accident at 80 mph due to stability control a few years back. Without that technology, the vehicle would have rolled killing me and possibly others.

Different manufacturers are approaching it differently and hopefully, as a result, the best methods will be figured out. Both my wife and I have 2019 vehicles with all the new safety features. The approach is completely different. Her Subaru tells you everything that is going on with beeps and lights. The Mazda safety features stay in the background and are less obtrusive. The Subaru looks like a video game in comparison.

If the new technology is in the background, it does not need to be perfect. Pay attention to driving and don’t depend on technology saving you. With this approach, technology will significantly reduce accidents long before it is perfect (if that day ever comes).
People have a natural fear of the unknown. Every time the excuse is that "this time it's different because...". The reality is new tech is always scary, seemingly unneeded, etc. Ultimately when years go by we're all better for it.
 

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Novel thought...perhaps we should just go back to teaching people how to drive? There’s an old adage about trading liberty for security. If “we”, the car buying public, continue to tacitly agree, ie buy cars with all of these “driver aides”, we are effectively doing the same. Driving a car is by far the most dangerous thing most of us do on a daily basis. It is OUR responsibility to pilot our vehicles safely, not the car manufacturer’s, not Uncle Sam’s. If you are too scared to drive, or can’t go five minutes without texting, take the bus.
 

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Besides the fact it's more to quit/breakdown down the road, I bought a base model so I have a minimum of bells and whistles. The only thing I wish it had is a tinted windshield.
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People have a natural fear of the unknown. Every time the excuse is that "this time it's different because...". The reality is new tech is always scary, seemingly unneeded, etc. Ultimately when years go by we're all better for it.
While that may be true, multiple studies agree and confirm that driver "aides" tend to make people less capable drivers, especially those new behind the wheel..
It is not only the safety features, but the simple analog controls that have been replaced by "new and improved" touch screens that may look like an advancement, but if you are watching a screen to alter your climate control settings, you aren't watching where you are going while doing it. With the "old style" controls Subaru used for several generations, you can easily set your heating and cooling by feel without ever taking your eyes off the road, as an example.
Just because it's new and electronic doesn't mean it is better, simply because it appeals to those who would cease to exist without a smart phone.
Not all "advancements" in technology are beneficial, and some can have dangerous side effects.
 

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In New Hampshire you can't touch your phone, even at a red light. But you can legally lose yourself in the touch screen of your head unit.
This is what I find so funny, the old farts that run the show(I'm 52 before you give me crap) can't think two steps ahead. Things that used to be muscle memory are gone and replace with 2 or more presses of a button that you can't feel, but yea holding my phone to me ear is the dangerous thing.
 

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Come now, you're a young fart!

I do miss the six actual station selection buttons on my car radio. No look, with tactile feedback.
 

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Novel thought...perhaps we should just go back to teaching people how to drive? ...
I agree. Safety features should be in addition to knowing how to drive not in place of.

Maryland eliminated parallel parking from the driving test. My daughter’s classmates were surprised when she was able to park in a street spot. They probably wouldn’t know what she was talking about if she told them that she also knew how to drive a car with a manual transmission.
 
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