Forester Wilderness Edition (merged thread)

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Discussion Starter · Aug 13, 2020

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Anyone have more retail of changes to Forester in 2021?

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zachavm

· #101 · Aug 19, 2021

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FozzieBalou said:
That's very well true, Zach... but then again, they're also working on that Solterra in the next few years as an add to the product line... so that may be another reason not to bring the eboxer to the USDM...

At least in theory...

Oh, I totally agree that they are not bringing it to the US. I was thinking it was about compliance in other countries. Just a thought as I don't have much knowledge there.

FozzieBalou said:
Maybe not a new Eyesight system, just a repackaging of the system - to make it less obtrusive on interior space and the view out the windshield.

You could very well be right, but I do think it is the next generation eyesight. I think everyone will agree that eyesight X is the next generation and this uses the same front cameras. However, everything we have seen thus far suggests it won't have the 360 cameras. In effect the differences probably won't be huge from a user perspective. Probably slightly better performance with the existing feature set and a few extra safety feature like minor accident avoidance. Here is roughly the same diagram for the Levorg (Eyesight X), the new foreign outback, and the forester. The outback reduced the sensors to only the back and the Forester appears to get rid of them all together. Sad day.

Also, here is the Japanese website talking about the system on the forester. Only real difference I see is some of the accident avoidance.

www.subaru.jp

予防安全（アイサイト） : アイサイト・安全 | フォレスター | SUBARU

広角化したステレオカメラによって、交差点対応などこれまで以上に幅広いシーンでサポートする新世代アイサイト。基本機能やさらなる安心機能など、フォレスターの予防安全アイサイト・アイサイトセイフティプラスについてご紹介します。

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ForesterBill

· #102 · Aug 19, 2021

FozzyX3 said:
Check out the :42 mark. Motion controlled temp adjustment?

If so, I'll take an intuitive knob over that.

Move Zig

· #103 · Aug 19, 2021 (Edited)

zachavm said:
Oh, I totally agree that they are not bringing it to the US. I was thinking it was about compliance in other countries. Just a thought as I don't have much knowledge there.

You could very well be right, but I do think it is the next generation eyesight. I think everyone will agree that eyesight X is the next generation and this uses the same front cameras. However, everything we have seen thus far suggests it won't have the 360 cameras. In effect the differences probably won't be huge from a user perspective. Probably slightly better performance with the existing feature set and a few extra safety feature like minor accident avoidance. Here is roughly the same diagram for the Levorg (Eyesight X), the new foreign outback, and the forester. The outback reduced the sensors to only the back and the Forester appears to get rid of them all together. Sad day.

Also, here is the Japanese website talking about the system on the forester. Only real difference I see is some of the accident avoidance.

予防安全（アイサイト） : アイサイト・安全 | フォレスター | SUBARU

広角化したステレオカメラによって、交差点対応などこれまで以上に幅広いシーンでサポートする新世代アイサイト。基本機能やさらなる安心機能など、フォレスターの予防安全アイサイト・アイサイトセイフティプラスについてご紹介します。

www.subaru.jp

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Eyesight X uses 4 radar units, along with the upgraded stereo cameras to the front, and the addition of really detailed maps of urban areas for some functions.

See here

"The EyeSight platform consists of two color stereo cameras mounted on the inside of the Levorg’s windshield near the car’s rearview mirror. The cameras, as well as four external radars, capture images of cars, pedestrians, lane dividers, traffic, etc., which the system then analyzes and, if needed, sends signals to various control systems like steering or brakes to take corrective action "

the Xylinx processor in the new generation of eyesight cameras has the capacity now to convert and interpret the data from the 4 radar units. The generation 3 cameras couldn't do that in real time.

In the EyeSight system, the Zynq UltraScale+ MPSoC fuses data from four radar sensors on the Levorg; performs image detection, classification, and perception operations; and delivers that information to the Levorg braking system.

One advantage of the Xylinx processor, is that they are MPSoC (multiprocessor system on a chip) vs single chip applications, so there is the capability to expand the system over time... meaning, backwards updates expand functionality are possible. Whether subaru actually does this or not is to be seen.

Those pictures show the coverage for radar units on the corners. The rear radar units are available now if you get a Subaru with the lane change assist/blind spot monitoring/rear cross traffic alert. Here is a diagram showing the coverage of the existing SRVD system in the US. Matches that second picture if you add the eyesight camera... this is from the 2015 new technology training doc.

Subaru will bring over new features for the US market as they come available… they’re still working on things like the speed limit sign recognition for example, so that stuff won’t make it in the first iteration. Likely the forester will get the same thing the outback that was released in australia gets - the improved camera with some extra functionality to start for the US market.

"Shibata said the new functions were developed for Japanese road and driving conditions. The automaker will need to prepare the functions for other regions, including the U.S.

“We do have a schedule internally, and we are developing these products for the U.S. market,” Shibata said. “I believe that in the near future, we can bring that to the U.S. market, as well. However, not all these functions can brought as they are to the U.S. roads. We want to make sure that we develop these functions specifically for the U.S. road situation, as well, and then bring them to the U.S. market as they become ready.

“The new stereo camera will be brought to the U.S. market very quickly, but each and every function, which needs the appropriate software development, will be introduced as they become ready one at time, or few at a time, for the U.S. market.”

Even just the cameras would be nice - they almost double the field of view. Some of the capability is the cameras, not the front radar, like the auto braking for pedestrians while turning.... just hope that you can get the same features in all trims - in Japan not all the eyesight features are available in ever trim, although I suspect that may be a difference in having the fancy navigation with the really accurate maps that allow some of that to happen. Not sure though, haven't seen enough information on it yet.

With the latest version of EyeSight, Subaru has improved the stereo camera, Shibata said.

“This is where the Xilinx feature comes in,” he said. “That allowed to us roughly double the field of view.”

With that increase, Subaru was able to add features to EyeSight, starting initially with the next-generation Levorg wagon for the Japanese market only.

The enhanced standard capabilities are aimed at preventing collisions that are likely to occur at intersections and in urban environments, such as a head-on crash or a pedestrian being hit while a vehicle turns. .

On the highway, the updated EyeSight now has active lane-change assist, auto deceleration based on road curve prediction and hands-off driving in congested traffic, Subaru says. However, those features are optional equipment on the Levorg, depending on the model’s trim level, a Subaru spokesman said.

Without the front radars the front cross traffic alert isn’t available, still not sure what allows the emergency lane change obstacle avoidance possible… if the front radar units are needed or only the existing rear ones along with the newer camera which has a wider field of view and better resolution.

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zachavm

· #104 · Aug 19, 2021

Subaru Updated the Wilderness. Reveal is scheduled for 9/2. They also posted the following photo to their twitter. Front facing camera CONFIRMED!!!

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zachavm

· #105 · Aug 19, 2021

Not much I can gleam from this with just a quick look while at work. Several shots of the new bumper/cladding. No shot of the rear to confirm the expected single exhaust.

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sneefy

· #106 · Aug 19, 2021

LOL

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gsdude

· #107 · Aug 19, 2021 (Edited)

Well at least we know the new Forester Wilderness will have a front camera! I hope that front camera and engine hood blackout decal will be available as an accessory for my '21 Sport. Love the new grill as well.

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zachavm

· #108 · Aug 21, 2021

Best pause point from the teaser vid:

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TwoFoz

· #109 · Aug 21, 2021

FozzieBalou said:
Not a huge fan of the new front fascia... some colors look better than others, but not sure of that extra space between the lamps and the grill...

Totally agree.

OuchDamn

· #110 · Aug 21, 2021

I like the wheels. Much, much better design than some of the wheels they have been using on their current models.

hoshie

· #111 · Aug 21, 2021

zachavm said:
Best pause point from the teaser vid:

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needs more plastic around the fog there.

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FozzieBalou

· #112 · Aug 23, 2021

OuchDamn said:
I like the wheels. Much, much better design than some of the wheels they have been using on their current models.

Same wheels as the Outback Wilderness - a 5 spoke finished in black.

OuchDamn

· #113 · Aug 23, 2021

Just a few days until they pull the curtain and we all get to see it! Yaaaaaay!
👀 👀

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Rhialto

· #114 · Aug 31, 2021

This Thursday is it confirmed they will unveil all the lineup or it's only the Wilderness and full lineup will follow later? I hope it's all the models.

zachavm

· #115 · Aug 31, 2021

Rhialto said:
This Thursday is it confirmed they will unveil all the lineup or it's only the Wilderness and full lineup will follow later? I hope it's all the models.

No idea. We can only theorize. I definitely think they will prioritize the Wilderness in the announcement, but I can't imagine it will be very long before we get all the other details. If not that day I would think it would be shortly after. Also, next week is the new WRX reveal and they won't want to take away from that. All this is conjecture, but I'm betting we get all the details this week.

Subarutheran

· #116 · Aug 31, 2021

It looks like our Canadian Subaru friends may have dropped the curtain on the Wilderness Forester a little early on Tuesday afternoon:
2022 Forester Wilderness - 2022 Forester - Subaru Canada

(link was active at AUG 31 at 1pm EDT)

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OuchDamn

· #117 · Aug 31, 2021

👍 Finally some decent pictures! Thank you @Subarutheran

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Move Zig

· #118 · Aug 31, 2021 (Edited)

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Subarutheran said:
It looks like our Canadian Subaru friends may have dropped the curtain on the Wilderness Forester a little early on Tuesday afternoon:
2022 Forester Wilderness - 2022 Forester - Subaru Canada

(link was active at AUG 31 at 1pm EDT)

interesting!

looks like the lower gearing like the outback version. Wonder if they’ll do like the outback where in Canada the full underbody skid plates are included where in the US they are available as accessories?

Confirms details like a higher towing capacity, the lower gearing. Also a higher static load on the roof rails.

Features

2.5L 182-hp SUBARU BOXER® direct-injection engine with CVT oil cooler for increased towing capacity
Subaru Symmetrical Full-Time AWD with dual-function X-MODE®
Skid plates for added protection
All-terrain tires with black painted 17” wheels
Increased suspension height
High static-load capacity roof rails with tie-down points
Lower gear ratio for CVT for better low range power
Modified transfer gear ratio
Modified rear differential reduction gear ratio
EyeSight® Driver Assist with Lane Centring Assist
All-weather soft-touch upholstery for all seats plus heated front seats
8” touchscreen infotainment system
LED steering responsive headlights and hexagonal-design fog lights

The pics also have the little disclaimer on them that it’s the US model shown… a few aren’t showing up for me for some reason.

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FozzieBalou

· #119 · Aug 31, 2021

This is probably the best view of the new Wilderness... some other angles - eh, not so much.

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zachavm

· #120 · Aug 31, 2021

Very Interesting. Other than the pictures, there isn't much concrete info here. At least not that wasn't expected. I am curious about this though:

Under the hood, the formidable SUBARU BOXER® engine is linked to a new Lineartronic® CVT with revised gear ratios, transfer case and oil cooler, all engineered to help you tow faster and further.

So does this mean it will have increased towing capacity? That would be wonderful. Just an extra 1,000-1,500 lbs would be huge.

Otherwise, I do have to say I am REALLY digging the look. I the features will enough to make me get it over the Touring's features, but man does it look great. That is assuming there isn't a Touring Wilderness variant which seems unlikely.

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