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Anyone have more retail of changes to Forester in 2021?

 

[ForesterBill]

Subaru Forester & Outback Wilderness Editions: Spring 2021
As per the slide, Subaru will debut the Forester Wilderness edition in the spring of 2021 which will likely be a more off-road focused version of the SUV. It will be followed shortly thereafter by an updated version of the Forester. Simultaneously an Outback Wilderness Edition will also drop.

source: Subaru Future Product Lineup Leaked Until 2024 » AutoGuide.com News

 

[QMaze]

Hasn't the Japanese market already released this type of version just recently, I remember seeing something about this, it has waterproof seats, door panels and rubber mats maybe the whole interior could get splashed but basically looked identical to the Sport but no orange . The one I saw was black with silver trim.

 

[FozzieBalou]

Probably a way to take the sport and give it an outback looks - bigger/beefier looking cladding/trim, maybe some all terrain tires instead of all seasons, maybe limited colors and (as above) a more sturdy interior material.

 

[wbdubya]

Forester will be losing customers to new Ford Bronco Sport. I’m one of the.


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[DockingPilot]

Forester will be losing customers to new Ford Bronco Sport. I’m one of the.


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Very cool.


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[FozzieBalou]

I don't think that the Bronco Sport is really comparable to the Forester - except in the broadest sense of them both being SUVs.

Will the Bronco Sport have a superior 4 Wheel Drive setup? Sure. But is it a full time system or a part time system?

The base motor (the small 1.5-liter turbo) has power ratings just about the same as the Forester 2.5 motor. Bronco is 181 HP, 190 lb/ft torque. Forester is 182 hp, 176 lb/ft torque. Note that the Bronco requires premium unleaded for the rated output. Not sure of the levels on regular unleaded.

MPG has yet to be determined for the Bronco Sport as yet. But in a similarly sized Escape, it's a bit lower than the Forester when equipped with AWD. Again, this is the 1.5 motor to the 2.5 motor and not for the Escape hybrid.

Bronco Sport - no manual transmission option. On the larger Bronco, there is a manual, but only on the base model. No other manual transmission offered.

Bronco Sport does have a bit more trailer tow - 2200 lbs... Major dimensions (length, width, height, wheelbase, track) are all within an inch or two. Forester is a bit bigger in most interior measurements, cargo space bigger in Forester with rear folded, Bronco a bit bigger behind rear seat. Many of the interior measurements are a wash.

Luckily, the 1.5 motor has been around for a while so you won't have to deal with too many teething pains of a new motor or transmission design.

But again, it's not a true apple to apple comparison - as the Bronco Sport is geared more towards the Jeep shopper (those that want a Wrangler ability in a more traditional SUV package. The Forester is geared more towards the "regular" SUV shopper - looking at the CRV, RAV4 and the Escape from Ford, as well as the more traditional Jeep Compass and others in that market segment.

As we don't yet know what the Wilderness Package is going to be (just a looks package or a more off-road oriented Forester?) there's no way to compare it...

And seriously, the typical Forester shopper will not be a Bronco Sport shopper.

 

[FozzieBalou]

PS - built a Forester Limited and a Bronco Sport Outer Banks and the similarly equipped Ford is about 2700 bucks more. Leather, sunroof, top line stereo packages, cargo mats, interior mats, etc..

 

[Seanyd78]

Bronco Sport - no manual transmission option. On the larger Bronco, there is a manual, but only on the base model. No other manual transmission offered.

The Forester doesn't have a manual transmission option either so it doesn't matter that the Bronco Sport doesn't have a manual option.

I love my Forester, even though it is a dumpster fire on wheels. The Bronco Sport and Bronco 4-door are on my list of possible replacement vehicles for it when the warranty runs out in 2022 but I will have to see them in person before they truly make it onto the list. We really liked the new Rav4, but once we actually put hands on it, it was actually had a very cramped interior compared to the Forster. If the new Bronco/Sport are anything like that, then they will quickly be off the list.

 

[Kean]

I don't think that the Bronco Sport is really comparable to the Forester - except in the broadest sense of them both being SUVs.

......And seriously, the typical Forester shopper will not be a Bronco Sport shopper.

I wholeheartedly agree.

The Ford Bronco will cater to those already with a nostalgic tie to the first gen broncos of the 60's and 70s. For the average Forester owner, I don't see it as any sort of threat to sales for Subaru. Vehicles like the newer RAV4's, etc. are a different story.

Personally, I like the retro trend that started a number of years back and it's the reason I bought my 2010 Challenger R/T. Although I have a '69 Charger (and I love that year / car), I never was able to acquire the '70 Challenger I wanted. When the new Challengers hit the market in 2008 (and I saw all the design cues they took from the 1970 car), I had to have one.

You can't ignore the fact that the Bronco is a kind of niche vehicle in that is targeted at those kinds of people who feel a connection to that truck. Of course, they are also expecting others will like the design and the modern features, etc. and I think they will because the early Broncos design is simply one of those that just looks cool after all these years. .....just like the Camaros, Challengers, Mustangs, etc. It has a wide appeal to "car guys & gals".

The fact is, the typical Forester owner is a more "practical" type that isn't necessarily a car enthusiast or hung up on automotive nostalgia, cool looks, etc. like the rest of us. These are fairly generic looking vehicles but they also offer features, history, capability, etc. that some of us appreciate more than others.

 

[FozzieBalou]

I wholeheartedly agree.

The Ford Bronco will cater to those already with a nostalgic tie to the first gen broncos of the 60's and 70s. For the average Forester owner, I don't see it as any sort of threat to sales for Subaru. Vehicles like the newer RAV4's, etc. are a different story.

Personally, I like the retro trend that started a number of years back and it's the reason I bought my 2010 Challenger R/T. Although I have a '69 Charger (and I love that year / car), I never was able to acquire the '70 Challenger I wanted. When the new Challengers hit the market in 2008 (and I saw all the design cues they took from the 1970 car), I had to have one.

You can't ignore the fact that the Bronco is a kind of niche vehicle in that is targeted at those kinds of people who feel a connection to that truck. Of course, they are also expecting others will like the design and the modern features, etc. and I think they will because the early Broncos design is simply one of those that just looks cool after all these years. .....just like the Camaros, Challengers, Mustangs, etc. It has a wide appeal to "car guys & gals".

The fact is, the typical Forester owner is a more "practical" type that isn't necessarily a car enthusiast or hung up on automotive nostalgia, cool looks, etc. like the rest of us. These are fairly generic looking vehicles but they also offer features, history, capability, etc. that some of us appreciate more than others.

For the retro aspect - I have a 2001 PT Cruiser... So I'm good with that retro... It's been in shows and has won awards (including runner up on a crowd favorite)...

And that's really exactly it - the typical Forester shopper is ... well ... hard to pin down. Mostly, they're looking for reliable winter travel and that security that the AWD offers them. While there are some stereotypes out there of Subaru being driven by old hippies in patchouli and Birkenstocks, or lesbians (with the exception of the Speed Racer wannabe in the WRX), most of the typical Forester shoppers are won over by the safety and security of the AWD for inclement weather, the apparent economical operation and the safety features for keeping the occupants safe.

Of course, there are still a number of Subaru shoppers that want something a bit adventurous - able to easily cross between on and off-road travel with no fuss, no muss (well, maybe some mud and dust) and no bother. While the original Outback was just a modified Legacy wagon (and technically still kind of is), it was offered up that first time as a rugged "outdoorsy" vehicle. The Forester never really has offered up that "outdoorsy" persona - it was always offered up as a simple, classic "mini-SUV" with strong safety and security.

The Crosstrek was then brought out with a similar "outdoorsy" vibe like the Outback. And it's sold very well. So much so that there may not be an Impreza wagon offering in the near future, based on rumors. This is just like the demise of the Legacy wagon. At least in some markets, they'll still have the Levorg (the 2021 models were just announced) for the more traditional wagon (or in the UK - estate) shoppers.

Now we have the potential "outdoorsy" offering on the Forester (FINALLY!)... Depending on what the package actually includes (will it just be a style package of cladding, unique colors, unique upholstery and the like or will it be something with a bit more off-road abilities?) that could become a game changer. While I doubt that the Forester will ever be a true "off-roader" like a Jeep (or even the upcoming Bronco Sport), it will be interesting to see what they do with this new package.

Here's hoping it is more than just looks and that there is some steak with that sizzle...

 

[2020sportbuyer]

Some may be confusing the big Bronco with the Bronco Sport....which the sport is basically a Gen1/2 boxy Ford Escape that’s been updated. It is a cool car. The Bronco Sport looks more like a baby Land Rover .... the Bronco is to take market share away from Jeeps...the Bronco Sport is for the cherokee, etc.

It WILL be competition for Suburu....but it remains to be seen how much, in a very crowded ...jelly-bean shaped ...mid-small SUV/CUV market.

 

[joelzilla]

Bring back the station wagon looking Forester!

 

[zachavm]

Bring back the station wagon looking Forester!

For the love of God no. You want that you can buy an outback.

 

[2020sportbuyer]

Having had a Forester Sport for 6 months, over 15K miles from new (yeah, I drive a lot).... the Bronco Sport in the highest trim is a little more capable off-road, however if you compare the lower Bronco Sport trims with the forester .....the forester wins (other than looks, I like boxy....and almost barfed when someone suggested making more like a station wagon again.

 

[Womprat57]

I've heard reports of the new Bronco overheating when offroading, and Ford quality can be hit or big miss. Granted I have owned my share, even some first-year cars (hello 2005 and 2015 Mustang) which never gave a hiccup. I would like to see a Wilderness Forester XT...

 

[Move Zig]

Must be getting closer to the release... the instructions for the Forester Wilderness Mudguards (J101SSJ600) and Forester Wilderness Sill Plate (E101SSJ020) just showed up.... so now you can elevate your mudguard and sill plate experiences. The sill plate shows a MSRP of $99.99, the mudguards aren't in the system quite yet.

The sill plate instruction is taken from some other existing document (instructions for E101SSJ000), the date in the footer I suspect to be incorrect, it shows 10/13/20. I guess it's possible this was created then, since it's really just the instructions for E101SSJ000 with different graphics in some of the frames.

technically, the fuel tank undergaurds are in there too - they are listed as fitting both the outback and the forester.

Awwww yeah.

 

[zachavm]

@Move Zig Where did you find these? Someone on the Outback forum found the full 2022 Outback manual somewhere prior to the wilderness getting announced and it basically told us everything there was to know about it. I asked him where he got it, but he never responded. Do you have any ideas on where we might look for the 2022 Forester manual?

Also, there may be some other parts that would tell us more information about the look of the new wilderness. Things that come to mind are the additional cladding, the front and rear bumpers, and the seats.

 

[Move Zig]

Those came from the techinfo site - I was looking up something else there. Technically, the outback fuel tank underguards are listed in some descriptions as fitting the forester, however I don't believe that - and the parts description isn't filled out yet, so I'd not believe it until it shows model applicability. I think it's a misprint in the short document description.

The forester you won't find any information in the form of a manual until after you know a whole lot about it from most of the usual online sources that review cars... it's coming from Japan, not the US like the USDM Legacy/Outback. You'll see pictures and a reveal of the model before the manual is made available.

The only 2022 parts currently listed on the parts sites are the legacy and outback. And even there the parts for the wilderness often do not have descriptions, and no pictures. Subaru is bad about getting good pictures of a specific part on their parts site.
Likely there won’t be publicly accessible parts lookups before the models are revealed and reviews in depth.

 

[zachavm]

Not much to be gleamed from this. Only item of not is that it will come in Geyser Blue just like the Outback. No reveal date either, but we can't be more than 2 weeks away I would think.

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