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picking up another forester (04 XT 5spd) monday...its got a set of nitto 225/45-17's...want to go to a 225/50-17in an all season tire I can run this winter (will probably only run the one winter when they are new). Don't want dedicated snows right now, as I just had to buy a set for the other forester. Want a tire with ok handling (not looking for max performance ) and that won't come apart ripping down a gravel road.
I've run pirelli pzero nero m&s on a wrx in the past..but can't seem to find them in this size. I see the new version (Pinna All season) but would like to stay around $120 or less per tire as well
so its mostly between the tires listed....
General exclaim UHP - kind of soft, but decent traction
New Conti extremecontacts - old version NLA, not much info on the new version
Continental ExtremeContact DWS
Toyo Extensa - no info on these..look ok
Toyo Extensa HP Tires - Tire Size & Price Details - 1010tires.com
Falken ZE 912 - can say I'm not a big fan of falkens..but hear ok reviews on these.
 

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I've run a set of Falken 512's to the ground in a 190whp Civic hatch and a stock Miata R. They are not good tires. I bought a set of 912's to replace them on my Miata and was so impressed I actually auto-x'd them a few times. They MARKEDLY improved over the old(er) 512's in wet/dry grip. I ran these on my miata for about 3k miles (from new) and was very impressed by break away/predictability and wet/dry handling for an A/S tire.

Here is where it gets fun....

I swapped these over to my old mountain machine - 88' Civic RT4WD - and ran them up/down fire roads with ease (rocks, sticks, mud). Granted this is a "4WD" vehicle too, the Subaru would likely wear them even better. I have no commentary about snow/ice performance with these cause I ran dedicated snows on the RT and didn't run the miata in winter. These 912's really never disappointed me at all; they don't grip like my Proxes T1R's but they are 1/2 the price, are very predictable and really do very well in the wet. I've run them on 90* days and 35* days and I always felt like I knew what they were going to do for me. From my miata to my 4WD wagon, these tires performed great - especially when you rate the price of a set compared to "the competition".

I have also read great things about the General UHP's but have never owned a set. I haven't done any research into those other tires but I do know that the 912's can be had for a song in comparison to a LOT of other tires that don't even stack up. Falken did a really good thing with the Zeix this time around. I will be comparing these yet again for my new set on my forester when these ****t Big-O's give up (bought the vehicle with them, bleh).
 

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I think I am going to try the conti on my wifes mazda 5 van. It looks pretty good for the $. Consumers reports latest issue has a tire review. The rate the Falken 912 high for an H rated. It gets low ranking for tread life rolling resistance and snow and ice traction. Michelin primacy mxv4 does better in those areas but is $.
 

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I just finished a set of 912s on the Subaru, and have a set on the Miata's street wheels. I like these tires alot because they are predictable and grip well, pretty quiet too. They are okay in the rain, but I never tried them in the snow -- they probably wouldn't do too well, but that's a guess.

I checked out the DWSs in the store a couple of weeks ago, they look very high-tech.

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I've run a set of Falken 512's to the ground in a 190whp Civic hatch and a stock Miata R. They are not good tires. I bought a set of 912's to replace them on my Miata and was so impressed I actually auto-x'd them a few times. They MARKEDLY improved over the old(er) 512's in wet/dry grip. I ran these on my miata for about 3k miles (from new) and was very impressed by break away/predictability and wet/dry handling for an A/S tire.

Here is where it gets fun....

I swapped these over to my old mountain machine - 88' Civic RT4WD - and ran them up/down fire roads with ease (rocks, sticks, mud). Granted this is a "4WD" vehicle too, the Subaru would likely wear them even better. I have no commentary about snow/ice performance with these cause I ran dedicated snows on the RT and didn't run the miata in winter. These 912's really never disappointed me at all; they don't grip like my Proxes T1R's but they are 1/2 the price, are very predictable and really do very well in the wet. I've run them on 90* days and 35* days and I always felt like I knew what they were going to do for me. From my miata to my 4WD wagon, these tires performed great - especially when you rate the price of a set compared to "the competition".

I have also read great things about the General UHP's but have never owned a set. I haven't done any research into those other tires but I do know that the 912's can be had for a song in comparison to a LOT of other tires that don't even stack up. Falken did a really good thing with the Zeix this time around. I will be comparing these yet again for my new set on my forester when these ****t Big-O's give up (bought the vehicle with them, bleh).
I agree on the 912's... we have a set on our '98 S; they grip grip grip on twisty roads and circular onramps, and perform admirably in the dirt as well. Back in March we did an entire rally school on them on dirt and gravel (the kind of stuff that will blast the paint off the car), and was convinced we'd shred the tires in the process, but amazingly they really weren't any worse for the wear. Would definitely buy again!
 

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I like my 912s also, especially given the price. As Stan noted they are nice and predictable and I think they do pretty well both dry and wet. They're OK in snow but somewhat useless in ice, as you'd expect of most A/S tires.
 

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wow, I'm in the minority. I really didn't like the 912's. Had them on the car for 3 weeks and hated them. Not impressed with handling, grip in the snow (a whole 3" of it), or grip in wet. Adjusted the pressure a couple of times, no use. Traded them away.

I had, and LOVED, the ContiExtremeContacts (not the new long life ones) and highly recommend those.
 

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wow, I'm in the minority. I really didn't like the 912's. Had them on the car for 3 weeks and hated them. Not impressed with handling, grip in the snow (a whole 3" of it), or grip in wet. Adjusted the pressure a couple of times, no use. Traded them away.

I had, and LOVED, the ContiExtremeContacts (not the new long life ones) and highly recommend those.
I agree, I don't really like these 912's all that much. Grip is "ok" , but they don't feel amazing or anything. I find them kind of unpredictable in the rain, sometimes they seem like they have tons of grip, sometimes I'll go sliding out around corners I usually take much faster. I think I liked the general exclaim UHP more, definitely better on gravel, the 912 is absolutely useless on loose gravel while all the other tires I have used had much more aggressive tread patterns.

+1 for the old contiextremes! However they don't have many sizes left for those, especially in 17" which is pretty sad as they were by far my favorite tire. Very good all around grip in ANY condition, they did tend to "flat spot" if parked overnight outside in cold weather.

I'm very interested in seeing how the new DWS is, might try them next summer. The new tread pattern is even crazier than the old one.

I thought the generals were ok, good enough grip but I found that the tread compound was just too soft, but they were decent for gravel/dirt and did work pretty well for the price. I ran them in 235/45/17, and felt they had ok grip, but seemed better suited to higher hp 2wd vehicles (srt4, mustang etc). I didn't like how they behaved at the limit.


I would say the contiextreme contact (old style) is exactly what you want, amazing grip in snow, good on gravel, and good dry traction (what you would expect for an ultra higher performance all season or maybe a higher performance summer tire). I thought for a stock FXT they were the perfect match in the stock size (215/60/16), should have come with them from the factory. If the DWS is anything like the old ones they'll be amazing, the new tread pattern looks like it might not be as good in snow. The old directional tread design was basically perfect lol.

After that I would probably take the exclaim UHP just don't go too wide/ short with them. Good tread pattern for snow and gravel, M+S rated etc.

Would definitely not recommend the 912 if you'll be using them in any snow at all or on gravel.
 

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I run the General UHP's on my Forester and have been truly impressed. They have handled long highway miles, commuter duty, Forest Service fire roads and even some field/stream crossings very well. Compared to the Falken's on my Impreza TS and the Nexen's on my WRX there is no comparison. They've handled the occasional off season snow much better than many traditional all season tires I've had before. All my cars will be running Generals in the future as they have the best bang for the buck that I've come across.
 

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I vote Contis! I love my Extremecontacts, and the new model are suppose to be an improvement.
I just wonder if the assymetric design will be that great. I really liked the directional design of the old tires as they cleared mud and snow very well and felt very sure footed on gravel. The assymetric design of the 912's is useless on gravel, especially with the solid tread bands, the DWS looks pretty similar, but does have a good amount of space between tread blocks which should help. The DWS also has a 50,000 mile treadware guarantee which is AMAZING, i got 30,000 out of the old extremecontacts and was very happy with that.

Hopefully they're as good as they sound! We're all going to be riding on them next summer lol.
 

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Tell me how the noise levels are guys.. I've heard these DWS are loud too... but they can't be as bad as the KDWs .. I hope! A Legacy owner talked about a 'VRM VRM VRM' sound similar to out of balance/cupping, which is the sound the KDWs make too. I would not like to repeat that.
 

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I have had 912's and Exclaim UHP. Not loving either, both good upgrades to a stock/replacement tire but not impressive. The 912's tread seems really narrow and the UHp' roll around. Both are single ply sidewall tires. I have like BFG G-Force Sports they are fairly responsive and stiff.
 

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Spring is here, is anybody here put on "Conti ExtremeContact™ DWS" on their Forester yet? If so, how's your experience?
Don't know if you are a nut like me but realize that in the OEM tire size the conti's are a bit smaller......Conti OD 25.9, OEM 26.7. So, they will probably throw the speedo off and may make the tire gap (fender opening to tire) look bigger. Just FYI. Another thing I noticed is that the members here that didn't like the 912's were from NY or way northern states. Since good reviews came from people with warmer climates I think that has something to do with it. Tire performance in conditions depends on tire temp. I'm not a tire specialist by any means but when the time comes I will be getting the 912's. Fla roads are nice and warm. ;)
 

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Don't know if you are a nut like me but realize that in the OEM tire size the conti's are a bit smaller......Conti OD 25.9, OEM 26.7. So, they will probably throw the speedo off and may make the tire gap (fender opening to tire) look bigger. Just FYI. Another thing I noticed is that the members here that didn't like the 912's were from NY or way northern states. Since good reviews came from people with warmer climates I think that has something to do with it. Tire performance in conditions depends on tire temp. I'm not a tire specialist by any means but when the time comes I will be getting the 912's. Fla roads are nice and warm. ;)
I use the 912's for the summer, in 60-80+ degree weather. They are my absolute least favorite tire I've ever used. In 225/50/17 they grip worse than the contiextremecontacts did in the stock 215/60/16 size! They're loud over any kind of tar patch. Their nondirectional design makes them terrible in mud or on dirt. They're just not as good as the others at all. Maybe for a commuter DD they would be ok, but I hated them.

I felt the same about the UHP they just squish and roll all over the place (and I had them in a 45 sidewall!), however grip was pretty good, and they were decent on gravel and poor pavement. The open tread design was decent, but allowed too much squirm.
 

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I use the 912's for the summer, in 60-80+ degree weather. They are my absolute least favorite tire I've ever used. In 225/50/17 they grip worse than the contiextremecontacts did in the stock 215/60/16 size! They're loud over any kind of tar patch. Their nondirectional design makes them terrible in mud or on dirt. They're just not as good as the others at all. Maybe for a commuter DD they would be ok, but I hated them.
+1 I'm rolling 912's in the 215/50/17 flavor and sure they are an upgrade from the geocrappers and are cheap but that's about the only good thing about them. Tread life stinks, grip stinks, they tend to wonder some, winter grip stinks, the list goes on and on. They have pretty good grip in the wet though... I commute about 20 miles a day all free way so they've been bearable.
 
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