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Nice review, thanks for posting! Took me a few minutes after staring at the back seat during the video that you have to open in full screen view, then click and drag to move around in 360 View
This is so crazy. I cannot understand why these features would not be offered in US market. I would love and would pay for rear seat heat, power passenger seat and how about memory buttons??
(Yes, I know (or believe) these are offered on '19 Forester but I think only on Touring?)
Any thoughts about how these choices are made?
Just wonder if anyone would pay for Auto Stop/Start if it were an option?
You dont see the Auto SS smoothing out after the break in period?
It is not my daily driver but, based on it being a mechanical issue, I do not see it happening but I have been wrong before...ONCE:wink2:
My Audi, and other folks that have Auto SS, have never noticed it "smoothing" out over time.
My Audi, and other folks that have Auto SS, have never noticed it "smoothing" out over time.
Usually, decisions about products and features are made through product research and forums with the manufacturer. They look at other manufacturers products and see whether or not certain options are offered, and if they are, how often are they taken.
They also use surveys with the general population and with previous owners to see whether or not they would be interested in option A or option b and at what cost. I have been a member of online survey groups for a number of years, and occasionally will see auto related surveys that talk about options and whether or not they would be desirable and at what cost. Let's face it, look around many of the threads throughout this forum and you will find people who wish that their vehicle did not have this item or that item that other people love and cannot live without.
Some people love eyesight, some people don't, some people love the CVT and some people don't. It all comes down to what people like.
There often are consumer group panels in certain areas that are asked questions about certain options that if they were available would they buy them, and at what price.
As for the items now only being on touring models or on upper trim levels for other brands, that is common. It's a way to get people who cannot afford the top level brands or trims to think about them as their next step up the ladder.
In this regard, that's the way Cadillac and Lincoln used to exist. You would start in the GM world with the low-cost Chevy, move up to the Pontiac or the Oldsmobile, then to the Buick, and finally up into the Cadillac as the halo car - the one everyone desired. Over at Ford you'd start with Ford, move up to Mercury, and then top out in Lincoln. Chrysler did the same starting off with Plymouth then either DeSoto or Dodge, then finally up into the top rung Chryslers.
As was mentioned in another thread on the forums, a lot of times models and trims are brought out every few years or changed every few years too kind of LeapFrog from one to another. It's a way of getting you in the door with a low cost Impreza and then you would advance up through the Crosstrek, the Outback and the Forester to the Ascent as the top model. You might skip certain models or stay within one or two by trim level options, but you get the point.
As with the demise of the XT Turbo for 2019, there was just not enough sales momentum to carry the model through. This can be the same reason why certain options are not available in our Market versus another Market. Dealers also can take some of the blame, as they are the ones who order most of the vehicles sitting on their Lots. Dealers also know what sells and what doesn't.
One other thing that may impact whether or not certain options are available in one market versus another is due to government regulations. Look at the headlights that we used to have here in the United States versus what they had in Europe back in the 70s and 80s and even into the 90s. It took our government that long to catch up to the way that it was done. Look how long we were without diesel models in the United States because the government couldn't figure out the regulations from the horrible diesels we had in the late 70s and 80s. Anything that impacts your economy and fuel usage would need to be tested through the appropriate government agencies before being approved for sale.
Dealers may find more Forester premiums sell then tourings or limiteds or the new sport, and therefore put more premium trim levels on their lot. In this regard one thing I found interesting was when I purchased my 2014 2.5 Limited. Most of the limited's that my local dealer had on their lot all had the same equipment and trim - they ordered the same package. My Forester was a dealer trade from another dealer just a few hours away. Their standard orders included more items and packages then my local dealer's orders. So I have items on mine that most local Limited trimed Foresters do not have.
Not me. This feature drives me nuts on my F150.
While I'm from Europe, I had the same Start-Stop headache in my 19 model.
We have slightly different options set - I do have rear seats heating, built-in USB chargers for rear passengers and can switch off start/stop for a ride.
But when I asked at local authorized service if there is any way to disable start stop permanently, even paying extra fee, they said it is not possible or at least they do not know yet how.
In BMW, that magic button remembers last state - if you switch off start-stop for a current ride, it will be switched off for the next rida and so on, until you will enable it back.
I wish Subaru can do such in the future, since this is pretty easy software option.
We have slightly different options set - I do have rear seats heating, built-in USB chargers for rear passengers and can switch off start/stop for a ride.
But when I asked at local authorized service if there is any way to disable start stop permanently, even paying extra fee, they said it is not possible or at least they do not know yet how.
In BMW, that magic button remembers last state - if you switch off start-stop for a current ride, it will be switched off for the next rida and so on, until you will enable it back.
I wish Subaru can do such in the future, since this is pretty easy software option.
its not about milage its about reducing emissions for the city portion of the epa 'SCAM THE TEST" to "lower emissions" that's why all these epa regs are for the laboratory only and not real world but we get stuck with it
ways to defeat: so one on a dealer review video: put rear defogger in continuous mode
need to get a full list of "defeats"
Here is Car and Drivers take on the Auto Start/Stop Feature with consumption savings tracking:
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a25561992/subaru-fuel-economy-gauge-stop-start/
https://www.caranddriver.com/features/a25561992/subaru-fuel-economy-gauge-stop-start/
Whenever I remember I press the defeat switch.
When I had a rental on vacation last year, I had my first experience with AutoSS, and it was different. By the end of the week, I barely noticed it. We were in Florida on vacation, and if the cabin wasn't cold enough per the climate controls, the engine would keep running.
Anything that reduces our dependence on a finite resource like gasoline - and a foreign resource at that, in addition to reducing emissions is welcome in my opinion.
You have to remember we're all in this thing together - it's not just about "your" car saving 50-100 over 3 years as the C&D article pointed out.
Multiply that by the number of cars. I'm a city driver so this is a very welcome thing for me. Sure, the starter and battery are more expensive since they need to be beefier to handle it. I probably pass/drive with over 1,000 cars through a city on my way to work, only a 10 mile/20 minute commute. But if each of those cars saved .01 gallons every day in that 20 minute ride? That's .03 per hour, or 30 gallons per hour for those 1000 cars, times 24 hours a day = 720 gallons x 365 = 262800 gallons per year.
All of a sudden, that's a significant number.
Let's stop destroying the planet, one drop of fuel at a time.
Anything that reduces our dependence on a finite resource like gasoline - and a foreign resource at that, in addition to reducing emissions is welcome in my opinion.
You have to remember we're all in this thing together - it's not just about "your" car saving 50-100 over 3 years as the C&D article pointed out.
Multiply that by the number of cars. I'm a city driver so this is a very welcome thing for me. Sure, the starter and battery are more expensive since they need to be beefier to handle it. I probably pass/drive with over 1,000 cars through a city on my way to work, only a 10 mile/20 minute commute. But if each of those cars saved .01 gallons every day in that 20 minute ride? That's .03 per hour, or 30 gallons per hour for those 1000 cars, times 24 hours a day = 720 gallons x 365 = 262800 gallons per year.
All of a sudden, that's a significant number.
Let's stop destroying the planet, one drop of fuel at a time.
Subaru's carefully chosen words on page 7-45 and -46 of the Owners Manual (copied in this earlier post) seem to suggest that there is a secret way to disable it that involves towing a trailer. A followup post suggests that this might be a path to a workaround.
Has anybody investigated this approach? Sounds like fertile territory for a good hack involving the connector.
Has anybody investigated this approach? Sounds like fertile territory for a good hack involving the connector.
I had my OB in the shop and got a brand new 2019 Fozzy for a loaner. I had no idea it had S/S or how that actually worked. I got quite a ways from the dealer before it "stalled" the first time. In 50 years of driving when the engine stops it's something wrong. . Had me going for a couple of seconds till it started back up. I thought that was pretty cool.
Didn't particularly like it, but cool. I drove it two days for about 100 miles and figured out pretty quickly if you pulse the pedal once with a little heavier pressure back to normal hold pressure it will start and keep running. Gonna take a while to reprogram my brain to the engine stalling all the time but I'll get over it. I'm really not seeing why all the opposition.
. Had me going for a couple of seconds till it started back up. I thought that was pretty cool. Didn't particularly like it, but cool. I drove it two days for about 100 miles and figured out pretty quickly if you pulse the pedal once with a little heavier pressure back to normal hold pressure it will start and keep running. Gonna take a while to reprogram my brain to the engine stalling all the time but I'll get over it. I'm really not seeing why all the opposition.
In what model year did Subaru put AS/S on the Crosstrek?
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