Auto Stop/Start System ► feature discussion ONLY (merged thread)

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Danbike

Discussion Starter · Apr 8, 2018

I thought I posted this earlier but I cannot find the posting. Sorry if I doubled up

It is my understanding that the 2019 Fozzie Touring has an auto shut down feature. Does anyone know if it has a defeat or shut off feature.

Dan

► Edit - Administrator's note - this thread is for Auto Stop/Start "feature discussions" ONLY!

The "technical discussions"... how to disable this feature, can be found in this thread: Permanently disable Auto Stop/Start - technical discussions ONLY (merged thread)

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RidingWV

· #61 · Oct 13, 2018

We brought home our new 2019 Forester base model (Jasper Green w Alloy Wheels) on Tuesday. Today, we took our first drive - up in the mountains to Blackwater Falls and Dolly Sods. About 250 miles, and about 30 of that was gravel and a little mud. Car drove GREAT! Smooth, quiet, and solid. Even with the mountains and gravel roads, we averaged 30.5 MPG today.

PROBLEMS - None, except my back was sore, which is not the fault of the car. Every car I have ridden in or driven the past 20 years gives me a sore back after a couple of hours. Again, not the fault of the car.

STOP/START - I see many people discussing the Stop/Start. After reading the owner's manual, I see that I can start up the car then reach down above my left knee and touch the S/S button, and it's off until I park the car and restart it. The only time it shut off for me today was after I stopped for gas and forgot to touch the button. Takes half a second and is already becoming second nature. So - that should not be a concern for anyone looking at the '19 Forester.

So, after 1 day and 250 miles - Nothing Negative to Report!

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wgilbert

· #62 · Oct 13, 2018

HappinessPie said:
I think you may be misunderstanding. I believe the manual to mean that under high heat conditions Auto-Start/Stop will be disabled until the engine cools down. :nerd:

What about not running the rear window defroster with auto stop/start? Unreal!

securityguy

· #63 · Oct 13, 2018

DockingPilot said:
Exactly what my wifes C300 does. The restart and s so intrusive the car lurches forward.
Hate it. We prefer to drive my 17’ Forester.

Have never noticed the Forester to "lurch" when SS engages. My Audi has it too and it does not "lurch" either.

pitrack_1

· #64 · Oct 13, 2018

ianbne said:
A hack for new players, when the engine turns off with the auto start stop, a very slight reduction of foot pressure on the brake pedal will restart the engine :grin2:

Hi ianbne,

I see you've been through several Forester iterations since I joined. Still stuck with the diesel but hope to encourage an upgrade and the 2019 looks like a candidate.

My parents have an automatic Mazda 2 with stop/start. If you hold the car stopped with light brake pedal pressure, the engine will not stop (i.e. idles as per 'normal'). If you increase the brake pedal pressure slightly, the engine will then stop. I find it easy to modulate the Mazda 2 system with brake pressure and as a result I don't need to use the deactivate button unless I want to.

Does your Forester do this too?

Thanks,

DockingPilot

· #65 · Oct 13, 2018

securityguy said:
Have never noticed the Forester to "lurch" when SS engages. My Audi has it too and it does not "lurch" either.

Yea I dont doubt that Larry. I test drove a new Cadillac to replace the MB and it was sooo much better. Could hardly notice the engine start/stop at all unlike her current car. Im telling you MB should be embarrassed. I wouldnt buy another one of the if it was 50% off.
“The best or nothing”
Well, Ill take the nothing thank you. Lol

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Imchesterbro

· #66 · Oct 13, 2018

I got the 19 Forester with the starlink remote engine start through the mobile app. I was wondering if any others are having the same issue i am. Where if i start the engine through the starlink mobile app and then drive off, the auto start/stop doesn't work. Everytime i fully stop the white crossed out circle A appears.

However, when i completely turn off the engine with the push start and then restart the engine by pushing the push start again, the auto start/stop works flawlessly when i make a complete stop.

Can anyone else test this if they have the 19 Forester and a subscription to the starlink remote start mobile no app?

phwang7

· #67 · Oct 13, 2018 (Edited by Moderator)

Wow, looks like some in this forum would insist on the starlink service just for the added feature of disabling start/stop.

securityguy

· #68 · Oct 13, 2018

Dock...I was never a big MB fan and maybe the newer models have taken a leap forward in their technology implementation. The Forester is relatively smooth and about the same feel as my Audi. I think, as the years go by, the technology gets less obtrusive but it is here to stay and we'll all get it shoved down our throats sooner than later.

ianbne

· #69 · Oct 13, 2018

pitrack_1 said:
Hi ianbne,

I see you've been through several Forester iterations since I joined. Still stuck with the diesel but hope to encourage an upgrade and the 2019 looks like a candidate.

My parents have an automatic Mazda 2 with stop/start. If you hold the car stopped with light brake pedal pressure, the engine will not stop (i.e. idles as per 'normal'). If you increase the brake pedal pressure slightly, the engine will then stop. I find it easy to modulate the Mazda 2 system with brake pressure and as a result I don't need to use the deactivate button unless I want to.

Does your Forester do this too?

Thanks,

Hi pitrack_1, I should have my 19 Forester some time this week but I can test my current SJ Forester's Start Stop tomorrow and see if I can apply light brake pressure and see it the Start Stop engages or not, my gut feeling is it will not and the engine will keep running the same as the Mazda's system. I'll have to force myself to lightly apply the brake pedal :grin2:

securityguy

· #70 · Oct 13, 2018

bogiediver said:
Does anyone know if the Subaru stop/start has a vehicle hold feature...

i.e. when you take you foot off the brake, the engine starts but the car does not lurch forward. Experienced this style test driving a Santa Fe...

The 19 does come with a feature called AVH (automatic vehicle hold). See the Ascent video but the same exact feature as in the Forester.

RidingWV

· #71 · Oct 13, 2018

ianbne said:
Hi pitrack_1, I should have my 19 Forester some time this week but I can test my current SJ Forester's Start Stop tomorrow and see if I can apply light brake pressure and see it the Start Stop engages or not, my gut feeling is it will not and the engine will keep running the same as the Mazda's system. I'll have to force myself to lightly apply the brake pedal :grin2:

We just bought a new 2019 Forester base model this week. After looking in the owner's manual, I found that after starting up the car, I can touch the S/S button (actually the letter "A" with a circular arrow) that is just above my left knee. Then the S/S stays off until you shut off the engine. Takes half a second and it's done. Next time you get in and re-start, just touch the button above your left knee again. Eezie-peezie.

How to tell: When you first start the engine, the "A" with circular arrow shows in white. When you touch the button to turn it off, it changes to orange(?).

The S/S was almost a deal breaker until I found that bit of info.

Hope you enjoy your new Forester.

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ianbne

· #72 · Oct 13, 2018 (Edited by Moderator)

Hi RidingWV, thanks for the info, I've been living with S/S in my current gen AUS Spec Foresters for over 5 years, I don't turn it off every time I drive I just release the brake pedal pressure slightly to restart the engine immediately after it shuts down :wink2:

I'll be testing a different technique of applying lighter brake pressure than I do currently when I brake and see if this prevents the S/S from shutting down, as this technique works in the AUS Spec Mazdas.

The technique of releasing the brake pedal pressure slightly to restart the engine worked in the AUS Spec Demo 2019 Forester I drove a couple of weeks ago the same way as it works in my current AUS MY15 Forester and my past AUS MY13.

Thanks again :smile2:

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pitrack_1

· #73 · Oct 14, 2018

ianbne said:
Hi pitrack_1, I should have my 19 Forester some time this week...

Hi ianbne,

do be sure to let us know how it goes! Perhaps start a thread if you can. Had a read last night, on paper it looks good. Especially the rear seat vents and tailgate speed- it's obvious Subaru Oz listen to customers and head off any issues in the next model. In this case I'd say the tailgate speed for everyone and the rear seat vents vis-à-vis VWs (and the climate).

ianbne said:
but I can test my current SJ Forester's Start Stop tomorrow and see if I can apply light brake pressure and see it the Start Stop engages or not, my gut feeling is it will not and the engine will keep running the same as the Mazda's system. I'll have to force myself to lightly apply the brake pedal :grin2:

Do let us know... and as for light brake pedals, Ettore Bugatti once said: "I make cars to go. Not to stop." :biggrin:

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ianbne

· #74 · Oct 15, 2018

Hi pitrack_1,

I can confirm your Mazda technique works with my MY15 Forester, light pressure and the Auto Start Stop doesn't engage, then you apply a little more pressure and it kicks in and the engine Stops

I modified my technique by applying the normal pressure then release it a little and the Auto Start Stop doesn't engage

I'm confident that the MY19 will behave the same way, hopefully, I'll pick my 19 on Wednesday as the dealer has just installed the towbar today :frown2:, its the detachable euro swan neck design, thankfully if that doesn't cut the mustard at least Hayman Reese has just released a towbar for the new Forester that is fully compatible with all the new tech.

Thanks again for your advice on the modulating of the brake pedal, I'm looking forward to just applying the normal brake pressure and then just curling my big toe back releasing enough pressure to prevent the Auto Start Stop from engaging Wahooo! :grin2:

Cheers
Ian

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pitrack_1

· #75 · Oct 15, 2018 (Edited by Moderator)

Hi Ian,

great news, thanks! That's the way I do it, brake normally and ease off as you come to a stop with just enough brake pedal pressure to hold the car.

This may also help with battery longevity. Due to the stop/start mechanism, the batteries come in for heavy use and are specially built as a result, are not readily available (yet...they're starting to appear) and cost $$$- you can't just drop a 'normal' battery in (maybe you can, but it won't last long). And the cars can count the start-stop cycles. I believe some cars count and then demand a battery change after "x" cycles. Also you can't just change the battery- you have to tell the ECM/computer the battery has been changed- this can affects the charging system which can be boosted to cope too.

Oh, our Mazda 2 will also refuse to stop/start for various conditions too including battery charge level (will keep engine running to recharge the battery).

Another one to test is the transmission lever position- the engine may stop/start if you move to N or P. Or it may not...haven't quite figured it out on the Mazda! It will auto-start when you move it out of N/P though if it has stopped. Note I think moving through R can trigger it too...getting rather complicated, isn't it?!!

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ianbne

· #76 · Oct 16, 2018

No probs mate, the Q85 Battery is getting more readily available, Subaru Australia recommends the Century Q85 as a replacement at $450 a pop they are not cheap :frown2:

Tomorrow is the delivery day for my new 19 Forester, an early start for a lazy 200km drive to my rural dealer, it's a small price to pay when I save over $6000 compared to the city dealers :grin2:

Photos and review coming tomorrow night :grin2:

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HappinessPie

· #77 · Oct 16, 2018

ianbne said:
No probs mate, the Q85 Battery is getting more readily available, Subaru Australia recommends the Century Q85 as a replacement at $450 a pop they are not cheap :frown2:

HOLY! :surprise:

"Well son, we had to dip into your college fund..." :crying:

>

Womprat57

· #78 · Oct 17, 2018

I have, and its simple mechanical principle of wear, more=more. No.Thanks.

bigbird1

· #79 · Oct 26, 2018

Question for the new owners.
Is the auto start/stop feature defeatable through the onscreen menus, or are you stuck with it?

Naidu

· #80 · Oct 26, 2018 (Edited)

bigbird1 said:
Question for the new owners.
Is the auto start/stop feature defeatable through the onscreen menus, or are you stuck with it?

(Incorrect information deleted. I thought bigbird was asking about the remote start feature in the post before his.)

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