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Just wondering on this, the JDM Forester (SF in my case) is quite different in many respects to the UK S turbo equivalent.
Does this generally apply to all JDM cars...Nissan, Toyota, Mazda etc where there is a JDM model and a UK/EU variant ?
If so, does anyone know of a good source to find what the JDM specs are for other manufacturers, preferably in English and not US market based as they are different again ?

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Brian

PS. I know that some of the Japanese based auction sites give some details but these are very basic , not a lot of help !
 

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Brian, depends on who you ask!

I commented many years ago on something Quentin Wilson said on a TV program about Japanese imports where he stated that imports where of an inferior quality because they where not domestic models manufactured in the UK.

Now thats a bold statement because most cars are not made in the UK, and do you think that Toyota, Nissan, Mazda, etc would have different factories for domestic and non domestic models, or even different grades of metal for JDM and export models. I think not! Can you just see the workers at Toyota, "Right men its 12 noon, time to wheel out the crap metal and fire up the rubbish robot welders for the export models"

I think the basic under skin all models are the same chassis, same build quality, same basic components such as engine, interior, etc..... but the other bits are fitted depending on the market which is their final destination. for example, sunroof is immaterial in Japan as everyone wants AC, also what english person would ask for the factory seats as per from Japan as a standard fitment? Not many!

Also another thing to factor into the equation is the different legislation, rules and regulations regarding such things as emmisions etc... in different countries.
 

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Thanks Mike, let me be a little more precise and use Subaru as the example.

I could have bought back in 2002 a Forester Turbo S, instead I got the T/tb, a JDM car.
Why... ? more engine power, interior colours n/a in UK, a few extra gizmo's etc. Very little change needed to make it road legal in UK. Something that was better ( in my opinion) than the UK/EU model Forester and gave better value for money.

Now, let us suppose that a Japanese manufacturer sells cars world wide, would the car he makes for the JDM market have more 'goodies' as standard than a UK car, a different ecu/engine output etc..... Does the fact that the car is intended for the JDM market make it different to the one intended for the UK/EU market ? Is it better value for money ?
In order to judge this I need to find out the JDM specs' as opposed to UK specs.

In the simplest terms, does my next car have JDM spec or UK ?

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It really depends. However, usually the JDM manufacturers make a higher spec model thats exclusive to the JDM. They want to export models that will sell the most units in whatever country it is. I'm guessing that the UK would get less of the "performance" models due to emissions standards. Also, a good number of them have factory fitted body work that would not pass the safety tests that are required for certain markets. They really want to export the least number of models, or export cars that can be modified at the port to different popular spec.

It depends on the company, but most JDM manufacturers keep the "fun" models for themselves, however that does seem to be changing (at least they're bringing more "fun" models to the US), however I feel with the even stricter emissions standards in the UK, you'll likely see less and less performance models. I think the value for money is mostly an artifact of individual imports vs mass imported models, as well as conversion rates at the time of purchase (for example, canadians can import a US model for far less than the equivalent model purchased in canada)
 

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fair point, personally given the choice I would always buy JDM models, due to better power, toys (such as full climate) but then my opinion is bias because of my connection to Japan.

Some might say when the UK spec is more expensive when new, not strictly true as in Japan cars arent taxed as highly as in the UK, plus there is also import duty to add on to the value, both of which are also subject to JDM cars once imported! plus shipping of course.

My first import was a car I bought when I lived in Japan, a 1989 toyota crown, the predecessor to the Lexus LS400 here in the UK and it came with everything, including a TV scree, fridge as well as electric everything. These where standard factory fittings, something which would be extras on a UK spec car.

I take it you've seen this site? 1997 Subaru Forester, T/tb Modification - all pics, specs, parts and prices
 
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Don't the Japanese have to scrap their vehicles once they reach a certain age or is that a myth?
Just thought they may build them cheaper for that reason? also bear in mind the EU models need immobiliser, underseal, sunroof etc which all add to the price so less toys can be put on as a base model..
 

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Don't the Japanese have to scrap their vehicles once they reach a certain age or is that a myth?
an urban myth put about by UK car dealers to persuade buyers to buy UK models.

The reason Japanese people trade there car in after 3 years is because the MOT test is expensive, circa £500! and when cars get to 10 years old its more than the cost of the car because the Japanese second hand market is crap.
 

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Not all the jdm cars came with better toys ...the UK Supra Twin Turbo for example was more highly equipped here than in Japan eg 17" wheels - 4 pot brake calipers - active spoiler - 4 spoke leather wheel - bigger fuel pump - bigger injectors - bigger turbo's (steel not ceramic) - glass headlights - real leather seats front and rear - bonnet scoop - headlight sprayers - cruise control - bigger diff - bigger drive shafts - fog light built in with rear lights -


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Yes but wasn't too sure how accurate it was for the JDM as it seems US based ??

Not all the jdm cars came with better toys ...the UK Supra Twin Turbo for example was more highly equipped here than in Japan eg 17" wheels - 4 pot brake calipers - active spoiler - 4 spoke leather wheel - bigger fuel pump - bigger injectors - bigger turbo's (steel not ceramic) - glass headlights - real leather seats front and rear - bonnet scoop - headlight sprayers - cruise control - bigger diff - bigger drive shafts - fog light built in with rear lights -


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That's the problem....I need to know the difference between the two market models.

I am not thinking of importing soon but would like to know where to get the detailed information. The sva to the t/tb and underseal was quite cheap and I could not have bought a UK Forester with that engine and just 9k miles on the clock, hence the import. It just seems that there are more toys as standard fitment on the JDM and the option of a more powerful engine. Yes, I am aware that I will have to be sure that whatever I import will pass emissions otherwise it is pointless.

Thanks for all the opinions.

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Lets add a further complication....

Had one of these on the long list ( I know !!!!!)

2002 Mitsubishi Airtrek 2.0L Turbo on eBay (end time 06-Jan-10 16:38:19 GMT)

Read down to the headlight /IVA problem. I assume then that this is a JDM car using the Cyprus route to the UK ? If it is a JDM car and the headlights are now not compliant with UK/EU then current owner is up the creek...yes ? as he cannot tax his car for UK driving. He cannot get UK headlights it would seem , although Ralliart used to sell a UK version of this car, and there is no alternative headlight he can use to meet UK regs ?
So JDM may/may not be just an emission issue but other items as well.

Ye gods [email protected]£$%^&*()_+

And all I want is a fun car !

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i found this an interesting read before i bought my MX5 import.

i also know that all MX5s are built in the same factory (LHD + RHD)

and alterations needed (like UK kite mark windscreens, and stereo upgrades) are done when they reach their destination

however im not convinced about all using the same parts.... TTB / STB cambelt kit was a b!tch to get hold of, and i once waited 6 weeks for a handbrake cable for a Celica!

anyway.....

Myth: The quality of Japanese cars is inferior to those in the domestic market.
Truth: The vast majority of the cars sold on the Japanese domestic market roll off the same production lines and are produced by the same people and with the same materials as export models. The highly competitive Japanese domestic market ensures the highest quality standards are met.

Myth: The specifications of Japanese models are lower than those in the domestic market.
Truth: As such, standard specifications are far higher in Japanese vehicles. The highly competitive Japanese market forces high 'standard' specifications as companies compete on 'extras'. This misconception has been fueled by several factors. Japan is very hot and humid in the summer and therefore leather seats are uncomfortable. Hence leather seats are not standard on any cars (not even the Lexus or high spec 4x4's). Of course such requirements can be met and should you wish we can fit leather seats ourselves.

Myth: Insurance for imports is much higher than the for domestic models.
Truth: It was the case that insurance companies, seeking to profit from the booming import market, did use to charge higher premiums. However competition has made this practice rare and a vast majorit of insurance brokers and specialist companies do not discriminate in any way.

Myth: Japanese cars are not maintained very well.
Truth: Japan has the most stringent vehicle regulations and emission rules, quite possibly on the planet. Every vehicle must undergo a compulsory vehicle inspection every two years, at high cost (astronomical in fact) and must meet very high standards. Consequently people look after their vehicles very well in anticipation of this test. Avoiding a gross generalisation, the Japanese are very fond of their vehicles and invariably keep them in good condition.

Myth: The mileage on Japanese cars is so low that they must be 'clocked'.
Truth: It is mostly the case that the mileage on Japanese cars is much lower than a car of the same age would be in, for example, the UK. There are several reasons for this. The traffic in Japan can be terribly slow, there are no roundabouts and a great amount of traffic lights making driving very slow. The speed limit on normal roads is 24Mph and the tolls on motorways are phenominally expensive. It is also not a gross generalisation that many Japanese do not venture outside of their own prefecture too often. All these factors contribute to the low mileage on most import cars.

Myth: Western servicing equipment will not work on Japanese imports.
Truth: Diagnostic kits read all languages. A call to your dealer will confirm this.

Myth: You can't get parts for Japanese imports outside of Japan.
Truth: Japanese imports use the same parts as their equivalent models outside of Japan.
 

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I think that my initial heading has caused some confusion and I apologise. A better choice would be 'different' rather than 'higher'. I was not inferring that the JDM car was built better or with more car than a UK destined one , rather that it seemed to come with far more 'goodies' as standard and a different engine spec to the UK type.
It was these differences that prompted the question. If I buy a JDM car, how do I find out if it will pass the IVA ? No point in spending and then finding it is a pile of non-drivable junk !

Thanks for all the replies.

Cheers

Brian
 

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I know for certain that the eunos (mx5/miata) was consistently higher spec than the uk equivalent on the 'same' model year. Some of this is due to the JDM penchant for ticking all the options boxes when ordered, but some is just how it is.. ( for instance want a torsen lsd ? buy the jdm version )

If you are going to import, then make sure there is an sva model report already in existence that is possible to rent.... at least you then know its possible...
 

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Model report is so last year....the ESVA it was used for has passed into the history books.

Imports now have to pass 'ISVA' for details go to the DVLA website, but most JDM's will only need rear fog and mph conversion to pass, its not as strict as ESVA but is a bit tougher than SVA.

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I've been reading about the new IVA regs which was one of the reasons for the original question. It's not the 'bolt ons' ...fog/speedo conversion etc that is the issue but the word "most" that Simon used. I am going to assume that if there is a UK 'equivalent' then a JDM of around 2006/7 will be OK re' emissions.
BUT...what about the Subaru/Nissan/Mazda etc that is made for JDM and not UK/EU , like the Aerotrek and the lights issue...the danger here of emissions problems seems much more difficult to find an answer to. Wasn't there an issue with the JDM RX7 or 8 and emissions that meant it was impractical to import one ?
Looks like when the time comes to change then it will have to be UK/EU to be safe.
Will ponder on and perhaps talk to VOSA/DVLA when I can be more specific about actual models.

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I would have thought a look at whats being imported would help. If there are companies importing them then surely importing yourself is practical.

Do I take it your after something different to the norm?
 

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I would have thought a look at whats being imported would help. If there are companies importing them then surely importing yourself is practical.

Do I take it your after something different to the norm?
Possibly, just looking at what I fancy and how practical it would be. Rather like the JDM cars as they offer that little bit 'extra'. So it might be something really different, a real 'JDM only' type car , hence the questions, or a more mainstream type of vehicle.

Cheers

Brian
 
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