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2021 - Towing capability?

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Hi All,

Just got my first Subaru a couple weeks ago, 2021 Forester limited automatic.
I'm trying to get clarification about upgrading for increased towing capacity. Everywhere I've looked (including on here) the reports vary wildly. I know this still may be the case with the responses on here but I can hope. Basically the towing capacity on the forester was the biggest sacrifice I made, I came from an Acura MDX that could tow 5000lbs but I needed better gas mileage than the 20mpg I was getting. the 1500 lb capacity kills me but I had to make a sacrifice somewhere. Since getting it I have seen lots of different forums and what not saying that the 1500 lb capacity is mostly US marketing playing it safe and European models can tow 3000 lbs which would be perfect for me. I've seen tons of different reasons given for the decrease in towing. Largely it looks like it comes down to adding a transmission cooler but I'm curious if anyone has actually done this and what the towing has been like or if anyone has any insight on it? Or are there any other potential upgrades I can do to help? I have the factory 1 1/4 tow hitch and I want to upgrade to a 2 inch receiver but if towing capacity really is only 1500 then it may not be worth it. Also if anyone has knowledge of an existing thread for this by all means point me there, I just haven't managed to find one yet.

Thanks in advance!
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You bought the wrong vehicle if you want to tow more than 1500lbs. This is unofficially speaking a Legal Restriction. As ROW is capable of towing far heavier trailers.
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It's a light weight economy unibody platform smaller than a honda civic. This is not a towing platform anymore than a honda civic is.
It's far more than a transmission cooler, it's entirely different legal and qualification methodology.
Short of structurally rebuilding everything from the chassis, transmission, brakes, I don't know what you want out of it.
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Some of those foreign unibody tow ratings are generally considered to be bunk, especially subaru's eu/australian ratings.
It's a light weight economy unibody platform smaller than a honda civic. This is not a towing platform anymore than a honda civic is.
It's far more than a transmission cooler, it's entirely different legal and qualification methodology.
Short of structurally rebuilding everything from the chassis, transmission, brakes, I don't know what you want out of it.
I've read multiple times that the European equivalent can tow 1500kg (about 3300 lbs) and the wilderness edition can tow 3000 lbs. obviously this isn't a completely different chassis etc., as at some point it's not cost effective. I'm trying to establish what they did in Europe and for the wilderness edition that made this possible.
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It's in the block of text you quoted from me: Again. Different legal and qualification methodology.

Additionally, follow the video. Besides having no legal bearing in the US. Those ratings overseas are outdated, unsafe and bunk for those in the know.
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What about the wilderness edition? Same idea?

And in terms of my original question, do you know of anything to increase the limit at all? Being able to tow even 2000 lbs like a small camper would make all the difference.
Different vehicle. There are teardrops campers made to be pulled by economy cars, so that isn't crossed out.
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This topic offers a wild variety of muddled and contradictory subjective factors to consider. A key thing I can personally assure you is, my XT has been on a 10,000 mile trip (Seattle to Newfoundland and back), crossing the continental divide, towing a 1,000 lb no-brakes teardrop trailer with 2 adults and a lot of camping gear. Our car's acceleration, braking, cornering and overall stability were almost unaffected. It was a comfortable drive every mile of the way on all roads at all speeds, with the only adverse effect on the car being accelerated rear tire wear and so-so fuel economy (21 mpg overall). Our CVT transmission was and is fine - we did a fluid change at the dealer right after the trip at 47,000 miles. Now the car has 94,000 miles on it. So I am confident that, with trailer brakes, a Forester can competently tow quite a bit more than 1,000 lb especially if you drive carefully and take a shorter trip than mine. Another reassurance factor is, the engineering configuration of the F. Wilderness (3,000 lb limit), Outback (more than 3,000 if I recall), and Ascent (5,000 lb limit) chassis and powertrains are not that different from the base Forester. On the other hand, despite all that, if you still are under warranty and you have a failure that towing exacerbated, I wouldn't expect any sympathy from Subaru and its dealers. And if you happen to have any mishap that leads to you getting sued and you have more than minimal assets, I would expect the plaintiff's lawyers to aggressively come after you - and your own insurance company might not have your back. So you could lose your shirt financially.
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I think the key question is mis-phrased.
Rather than "can you tow" it should be can you safely tow...

As the rather long winded but semi-entertaining video above pointed out, there is no way to safely tow a trailer that is nearly at or above the GVWR of the vehicle it's attached to.

It doesn't matter how it's set up - the laws of physics even apply to Subaru vehicles.
Under the right (wrong) set of circumstances, the tail will be happy to wag the dog.

Can you - Sure. But although you can doesn't mean you should.
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there is no way to safely tow a trailer that is nearly at or above the GVWR of the vehicle it's attached to.
?? Doing a little googling right now, I see the GVWR of a Ford F350 pickup is 10,000 to 12,000 lb -- and its towing capability can be >20,000 lb.
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The more factual portion of the video had some interesting things to say regarding the tow limit arms race.
According to him, everyone overstates their capability.

I don't doubt that a F350 can actually pull that weight, but in the right set of circumstances, things may not go well.
All might be fine, but then that series of bumps that cause the rear end of the truck to go airborne is an adventure I'd rather not experience.
If you want an SUV that get's > 25mpg and still tow 7000lbs, it's called the Mercedes ML 350 Bluetec. When not towing, and travelling at 70+mph, It will do 25-27MPG all day. And when you want to tow, it's ready to that 7000lbs. No modification or anything. ;)

My wife's friend bought the Acura MDX at the same time we bought our Mercedes ML 350 Bluetec. She cursed at the MPG as well after we bought our respective vehicles together. In fact her jaws dropped when I told her we were getting 25-27MPG while doing the 70+MPH.
Y'all never watched the movie "The Long Long Trailer" ... and it shows. 😎
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I've read multiple times that the European equivalent can tow 1500kg (about 3300 lbs) and the wilderness edition can tow 3000 lbs. obviously this isn't a completely different chassis etc., as at some point it's not cost effective. I'm trying to establish what they did in Europe and for the wilderness edition that made this possible.
Hi. I'm from the UK and you're correct, the Forester we got here is rated to tow far more than in the US.

The towbar has more connection points and mounts deeper into the chassis of the Forester.
We got transmission coolers as standard fitted equipment
The maximum speed limit when towing is 60mph.
The maximum tongue weight is an important factor
All trailers over 750Kg, whether loaded or empty MUST have trailer brakes fitted.
There was once even an additional driving test you had to take if you wanted to tow a trailer over 750Kg (Unless you passed your driving test before ~1996 from memory)

Now as to why the US has such low tow ratings? That's because it seems every state has its own rules when it comes to trailer brakes, as shown in the link below. Since Subaru couldn't be bothered to come up with a variant for each state - Plus it is possible to buy in 1 state and drive in another state in the US, they defaulted to tow ratings that keeps everyone safe, even in the loosest trailer towing weights and requirements states
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Alabama​
3,000​
Kentucky​
‘A’North Dakota‘C’Alberta2,000
Alaska​
5,000
Louisiana​
3,000Ohio2,000British Columbia4,400
Arizona​
3,000
Maine​
3,000Oklahoma3,000Manitoba'A'
Arkansas​
3,000
Maryland​
3,000Oregon*‘A’New Brunswick3,000
California​
1,500
Massachusetts​
10,000Pennsylvania3,000Newfoundland‘A’
Colorado​
3,000
Michigan​
3,000Rhode Island4,000Northwest Territories'C'
Connecticut​
3,000
Minnesota​
3,000South Carolina3,000Nova Scotia4,000
Delaware​
4,000
Mississippi​
2,000South Dakota3,000Ontario3,000
D.C​
3,000
Missouri​
‘B’Tennessee3,000Prince Edward Island3,300
Florida​
3,000
Montana​
3,000Texas4,500Quebec2,860
Georgia​
3,000
Nebraska​
3,000Utah‘A’Saskatchewan3,000
Hawaii​
3,000
Nevada​
1,500Vermont3,000Yukon Territory2,000
Idaho​
1,500
New Hampshire​
‘A’Virginia3,000
Illinois​
3,000
New Jersey​
‘C’Washington3,000
Indiana3,000New Mexico3,000West Virginia3,000
Iowa​
3,000
New York​
1,000Wisconsin3,000
Kansas​
'A'
North Carolina​
4,000Wyoming'A'
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To the OP: the Outback has a base towing capacity of 2700 lbs. Why would you buy a Forester and then try to negotiate the towing capacity on this forum?

If you are ever pulling more than 1500 lbs and get into any sort of accident where damage or injury happens, it doesn't matter what mods you may have made to increase the towing capacity. You will be the one getting sued, or having your insurance company cancel you.

My simple solution would be to buy an Outback which is not fundamentally less economical than a Forester.
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I have the factory 1 1/4 tow hitch and I want to upgrade to a 2 inch receiver but if towing capacity really is only 1500 then it may not be worth it
I think it is worthwhile to have the 2" receiver instead of the 1.25" one. You can attach a lot more stuff to the 2" standard. Bike racks, work benches, cargo carriers, etc. A hitch isn't just for towing.
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Hi. I'm from the UK and you're correct, the Forester we got here is rated to tow far more than in the US.

The towbar has more connection points and mounts deeper into the chassis of the Forester.
We got transmission coolers as standard fitted equipment
The maximum speed limit when towing is 60mph.
The maximum tongue weight is an important factor
All trailers over 750Kg, whether loaded or empty MUST have trailer brakes fitted.
There was once even an additional driving test you had to take if you wanted to tow a trailer over 750Kg (Unless you passed your driving test before ~1996 from memory)

Now as to why the US has such low tow ratings? That's because it seems every state has its own rules when it comes to trailer brakes, as shown in the link below. Since Subaru couldn't be bothered to come up with a variant for each state - Plus it is possible to buy in 1 state and drive in another state in the US, they defaulted to tow ratings that keeps everyone safe, even in the loosest trailer towing weights and requirements states
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Alabama​
3,000​
Kentucky​
‘A’North Dakota‘C’Alberta2,000
Alaska​
5,000
Louisiana​
3,000Ohio2,000British Columbia4,400
Arizona​
3,000
Maine​
3,000Oklahoma3,000Manitoba'A'
Arkansas​
3,000
Maryland​
3,000Oregon*‘A’New Brunswick3,000
California​
1,500
Massachusetts​
10,000Pennsylvania3,000Newfoundland‘A’
Colorado​
3,000
Michigan​
3,000Rhode Island4,000Northwest Territories'C'
Connecticut​
3,000
Minnesota​
3,000South Carolina3,000Nova Scotia4,000
Delaware​
4,000
Mississippi​
2,000South Dakota3,000Ontario3,000
D.C​
3,000
Missouri​
‘B’Tennessee3,000Prince Edward Island3,300
Florida​
3,000
Montana​
3,000Texas4,500Quebec2,860
Georgia​
3,000
Nebraska​
3,000Utah‘A’Saskatchewan3,000
Hawaii​
3,000
Nevada​
1,500Vermont3,000Yukon Territory2,000
Idaho​
1,500
New Hampshire​
‘A’Virginia3,000
Illinois​
3,000
New Jersey​
‘C’Washington3,000
Indiana3,000New Mexico3,000West Virginia3,000
Iowa​
3,000
New York​
1,000Wisconsin3,000
Kansas​
'A'
North Carolina​
4,000Wyoming'A'
Thank you. I figured this was largely the case. I know a lot of people are talking about insurance risks and liabilities with towing above the listed limits but I'm not worried about that (I live in a rural area). I'm just hoping to get to the bottom of what the US forester can really do and what adding something like a transmission cooler would do for it.
There is a difference between tow rating and tow capability that a lot of people get confused with. A low tow rating doesn't necessarily mean the car can not handle towing heavier loads and likewise a high tow rating doesn't mean the car can tow the rated amount safely.

There is a marketing ploy especially with utes (pickup trucks) where the manufacturers are advertising increasingly high tow ratings to get one up on their competition. The fact is you should never tow a load that is heavier then the weight of the tow vehicle despite the claims being made. Tractor units, semi's, prime movers (what ever you call them) are different since they are designed solely to tow heavier loads.

The Forester has a tow rating here (NZ) of 1800kg braked, and can do it. But personally wouldn't tow more then its 1600kg tare weight. Even with a braked trailer you wouldn't want the trailer being able to overpower and push the car around (trailer brakes could fail etc). The transmission cooler isn't what increases a tow rating, but can help the tow capability especially with the heavier loads. In the US the rating is so low a cooler will never be needed and thus are not fitted.
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