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Consumer Reports has concluded its road test and the new Forester scored a 90 besting all vehicles in the compact SUV category. Overall score was 88, also best in class. Both scores are considerably higher than the second place Mazda CX-5 which scored 81/80. However, road test results are still pending for the 2019 RAV4 so the new RAV4 does not appear in the rankings yet.

CR cites the Forester's strong points as fuel economy, great visibility, roomy interior and easy controls. Only low point is engine noise. BTW, they clocked 0-60mph at 9.2 seconds.

Road test: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/subaru/forester/2019/road-test?pagestop
 

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Sure hate to hear this. It seems everything I own that works good and that I like scores low with CR. Whenever I've bought from a high scoring CR rating it's it been junk.

I just cancelled my subscription recently for the above reasons.
 

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It seems everything I own that works good and that I like scores low with CR. Whenever I've bought from a high scoring CR rating it's it been junk.
Such as, in the realm of automobiles?
 

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Sometimes you have to do your homewok such as listen and see what others have had problems. I had a Craftsman 12hp 38” tractor a 1989 model and did my own maintenance oil,filters and plug. Neighbors had Deere’s one in particular going to the shop every other year. When it came time to replace the tractor I read up on CR the Deere scored higher but the Cub Cadet was the best value. It running fine for 2 years. When I replaced the same age Craftsman 20” snow blower again checked CR and the Cub Cadet 28” was the best value I got that before the big snow of 2017-2018 no problem and that one was listed as best value. The same when I decided on the Forester Premium 2018. Even some of the home appliances I do look at CR plus other reviewers.
It still a crapshoot on what you get. When I buy Mac’s iMac, MacbookPro and even iPads I buy the company (Apple) refurbs and still get the same warranty’s as new.
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I still don't understand their rating system. They rank the new Forester high but if you look under the used vehicle recommendations the only Subaru recommended as a used vehicle is the 2016 to 2018 Crosstrek. The 2014 is below average and 2015 is now average for the forester.
 

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19 Forester IIHS test results

IIHS.org have released the crash test results for the 2019 Forester and it received a Top Safety Pick rating (TSP).
Unfortunately, the Forester, even equipped with the steering linked LED headlights, missed getting a TSP+ rating because of only “acceptable” headlight performance.
Oddly, all other Subarus received the TSP+ rating, when equipped with the same LED headlights.
The good news here is that the new global platform and all the other safety features performed very well.
 

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I still don't understand their rating system. They rank the new Forester high but if you look under the used vehicle recommendations the only Subaru recommended as a used vehicle is the 2016 to 2018 Crosstrek. The 2014 is below average and 2015 is now average for the forester.
Not sure about CR rating system but it may be that Subaru holds price (unrealistically) high for what you get on used vehicle.
I usually wouldn't recommend Subaru as used vehicle (opposite is true for new) but they may have different reasons.
 

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Yeah I'm really surprised the steering responsive headlights on the new Forester didn't get a top rating.

At least all the Foresters have an "acceptable" LED headlight while the Ascents lower trim level headlight was rated poor.
 

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Not sure about CR rating system but it may be that Subaru holds price (unrealistically) high for what you get on used vehicle.
I usually wouldn't recommend Subaru as used vehicle (opposite is true for new) but they may have different reasons.
You would think if you could not recommend a vehicle after a few years of ownership as a used vehicle how you could recommend it as a new vehicle. They do this with other manufacturers also not just Subaru like the Honda HR-V and Pilot. You would think prices would be higher for a used reliable vehicle.
 

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My personal reasoning is that newer used Subaru (and Toyota/Honda), while still great to own, don't offer enough saving vs new Subaru/Toyota/Honda. At least not for me...
Mazda/Hyundai/KIA would be good example of good used buy since they loose much more value. I still like Subaru more but if I was about to buy used, Mazda may be my first choice.
 

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Mazda actually the CX-9 and CX-5 are both recommended used. However, there are no Mazda dealers around here anymore.
 

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Consumer Reports has concluded its road test and the new Forester scored a 90 besting all vehicles in the compact SUV category. Overall score was 88, also best in class. Both scores are considerably higher than the second place Mazda CX-5 which scored 81/80. However, road test results are still pending for the 2019 RAV4 so the new RAV4 does not appear in the rankings yet.



CR cites the Forester's strong points as fuel economy, great visibility, roomy interior and easy controls. Only low point is engine noise. BTW, they clocked 0-60mph at 9.2 seconds.



Road test: https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/subaru/forester/2019/road-test?pagestop


Pretty much the same strong points CR has noted since the 2014 Forester redesign. Having owned a 2014 2.5i Premium and now a 2015 FXTT, I wholeheartedly agree with those assessments. They are strong assets, as is the AWD. I haven’t found any other compact CUV that matches them.

Where the Forester is lacking, IMO, is the engine(s) and transmission(s). CR notes the deficiencies, but doesn’t reflect them in the road test ratings. There I find their overall judgment to be flawed, and why I’m taking everything they recommend as a “maybe”, at least for my taste.

The 2.5 and the 2.0 DIT are the loudest modern gasoline engines I have ever owned, especially when cold. They sound like a diesel, and the DIT has a additional background tap dance made by the high pressure injectors adding to the overall rattle. Once operating temperature (about 180 degrees) is reached, they quiet down to merely noisy.

The previous 2.5 was underpowered, and the new model even more so, at least based on 0-60 times. Tuning makes it do fine in town, but when pushed, as in highway passing, the engine/CVT combo howls but you don’t get much out of it. That’s too bad, because otherwise it was a fine vehicle. Bad enough I had to trade it after less than two years.

My 2015 FXT, even with the CVT, does much better simply because of the generous added torque/hp, especially if you take it out of the ECO, “I” mode. It’s got plenty of power, but unfortunately the DI makes lots of intake carbon, and it ate both of my O2 sensors. I’m not looking forward to continually fighting that in the long term. Otherwise I like the vehicle a lot.

I have other minor quibbles, but the biggies are enough to keep me away from a new Subaru unless they provide an upgraded engine option, and include a carbon DI fix.

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forester didn't meet IIHS+ rating? lights lacking?

just reading about my new subaru (ordered touring white w/ saddle brown) and noticed links to the IIHS ranking. Forester lights rank only "A" acceptable

https://www.iihs.org/iihs/ratings/vehicle/v/subaru/forester-4-door-suv/2019
passenger better than last year

still a top safety pick........ but other subaru models do have IIHS+ ranking
Hmmmmm

so now do we need to look at light upgrades??

Ratings are given for 3 different headlight variations available for this vehicle.
Trim level(s)
Limited trim
Touring trim
Low-beam headlight type LED projector
High-beam headlight type LED projector
Curve-adaptive? Yes
Automatically switches between low beams and high beams (high-beam assist)?
Yes
Overall rating A
Distance at which headlights provide at least 5 lux illumination:


look at detail on lights on curves https://m.iihs.org/mobile/ratings/mobileratings/subaru/forester-4-door-suv/2019
 

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other subaru[s are IIHS+ use those lights
will monitor for upgrade options
surprised they allowed hundai and others to pass or show them up

any new owners find them lacking?? or is this chasing specs?
 

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I like the headlights, and that's on the base model where they just point straight ahead. What they illuminate can be seen clearly. The diffusion is tight, especially on the vertical access. On a level road the lights shine down and ahead, but not up. When going down a small hill, the brights can be required to see much up the other side of a dip. It's far more obvious whether the brights are on, because of this. No need to check the light on the dash -- unlike our 2018 Outback, where there's far less difference in what's illuminated; the brights are brighter of course, but not so obviously aimed differently. Visual contrast with these lights on a dark, foggy night seems better than in the 2012 Impreza we used to have, too. Obviously headlight tech is getting better lately. Compared to past generations, these lights are great.

As for CR reviews of other stuff, there's no way they get enough samples of any one thing to generate statistics on it. So mostly they're looking at a sample off one, of a production line that for many products will be inconsistent. There's noting they like where you can't go online and find unhappy customers who've run into serious problems with it; because there's nothing made so well that everything off the line is good. Still, I've had decent luck buying appliances under the influence of CR ratings.
 

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I still don't understand their rating system. They rank the new Forester high but if you look under the used vehicle recommendations the only Subaru recommended as a used vehicle is the 2016 to 2018 Crosstrek...
One rating is for a new model compared to competing similar vehicles. The other rating is for used models based on reliability.
 

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One rating is for a new model compared to competing similar vehicles. The other rating is for used models based on reliability.
Exactly.

Overall score (numerical score) is based on a combination of the road test score, safety features, fuel economy, etc., as well as predicted reliability for the current model year. Predictions are based on the manufacturer's track record, reliability of similar models, and whatever other factors can be assessed. Obviously this is more of a guess with a brand-new model (which is why, for example, the Tesla S went from a huge score to "not recommended" as real-world reliability data came in and revealed how unreliable it was).

Reliability ratings for vehicles old enough to have one are based on data compiled from surveys of members (over a half million surveys annually). These ratings compare each model to all others of the same year, which explains the below- to above-average scale.

So read the test report and test results to assess performance and features compared to other new cars. Look at the reliability ratings for comparisons of in-service cars' repair records. A 2015 Forester has an average overall reliability rating compared to other 2015 cars, but you can dig in and learn that it's "in-car electronics" that drag it down from above average.

CR has always struggled with a conflict between their engineering mindset, which wants to analyze everything to death, and the public's desire to have everything boiled down to a single number, a final score. Their attempts to do both just cause confusion, IMO, and it's usually best to read the reports in detail.
 

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IIHS.org Safety Rating - updated

IIHS.org have released the crash test results for the 2019 Forester and it received a Top Safety Pick rating (TSP).
Unfortunately, the Forester, even equipped with the steering linked LED headlights, missed getting a TSP+ rating because of only “acceptable” headlight performance.
Oddly, all other Subarus received the TSP+ rating, when equipped with the same LED headlights.
The good news here is that the new global platform and all the other safety features performed very well.
Just wanted to share - they upgraded the 2019 Forester with steering responsive LED headlights (Touring and Limited) to TSP+ though does say "applies only to vehicles built after January 2019".

https://m.iihs.org/mobile/ratings/mobileratings/tsps
https://m.iihs.org/mobile/ratings/mobileratings/subaru/forester-4-door-suv/2019
 
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