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2019 Forester - Blue
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Tires and Wheels purchased at @Discount Tire for a good price:
  • Black Rhino 17x8 wheels - Black
  • Michelin Defender LTX M/S 225/65R17
I picked this setup because:
  • I wanted something a bit more grippy than stock but not as grippy as the Falken Wildpeak A/T Trail or Pirelli Scorpion All Terrain Plus
  • Unsprung weight to be less than or equal to stock (effects suspension system)
  • Minimize mass moment of inertia (effects acceleration and gas mileage)
  • Keep good gas mileage
  • Looks good(works against other criteria)

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Expected ~ 1 mpg lower calculated due to tire size difference
 

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Nice!

I've been very happy with my Defender's... I've found mine to be happier in the 35-37psi range for what I carry around. And yes, a slight gas mileage hit, but not nearly as much as an AT tire.

I had a 2-3mpg hit from the Hankook Ventus S1Noble2s. Mainly due to the Michelin's are 2lbs heavier per corner... (Driving habit probably a little influence too, and crap CA 91 octane gas)

I spy a sticker...... but not one of these.... or these.... ;)

While I am at it..... Are you here?


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Alexef,

Thank you for taking the time and effort to post some excellent photos along with your new tire/wheel package along with your thoughts on them.

Your car look great. I like the blue color, what a sweet look. I'm goad to hear you like your new set up.

Your area looks beautiful as well. Thank you for your support.
 

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Hmm, how much do they weigh compared to steelies? I would totally use those as winter wheels.
 

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How's the road noise on the Defenders? I'm a Michelin fan, always been my brand of choice. wife has a 2018 Crosstrek (with the oem falken's) which has 45k miles on them, and honestly they've been very good, but costco doesn't sell them (not a bridgestone fan).

I like the wheels you used, makes the Touring looks meaner!
 

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How's the road noise on the Defenders? I'm a Michelin fan, always been my brand of choice. wife has a 2018 Crosstrek (with the oem falken's) which has 45k miles on them, and honestly they've been very good, but costco doesn't sell them (not a bridgestone fan).

I like the wheels you used, makes the Touring looks meaner!
The road noise is about the same as stock tires, as my wife and kids have not made any comments in over 1200 miles.
 

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The road noise is about the same as stock tires, as my wife and kids have not made any comments in over 1200 miles.
Thanks! My wife needs tires on her 2018 Crosstrek, I was surprised the crosstrek has the same size tires as the Forester.
 

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Each or total? Still look good though.
Each. The issue are mass moment of inertia and rotational friction and not weight with this setup. With constant speed, your calculated gas mileage is very close to stock. Seems like accelerating and decelerating with these tires decrease gas mileage more.
 

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Thanks! My wife needs tires on her 2018 Crosstrek, I was surprised the crosstrek has the same size tires as the Forester.
As the Crosstrek and the Forester share a common platform (and have for a few generations) the wheels can be a direct bold over "upgrade"... there are a lot of SJ Forester owners out there with Crosstrek rims... 17" on the NA 2.5 models... The 2.0 XT models use 18" tires but the same offset and bolt specifics.
 

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Each. The issue are mass moment of inertia and rotational friction and not weight with this setup. With constant speed, your calculated gas mileage is very close to stock. Seems like accelerating and decelerating with these tires decrease gas mileage more.
Hmm, interesting.
 

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@Alexyef are you experiencing any rubbing with this setup on the stock ride height? I'm very interested in a similar setup, but have no interest in a lift and I've had a hard time finding an active member with this tire size on a stock SK. Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated!
 

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@Alexyef are you experiencing any rubbing with this setup on the stock ride height? I'm very interested in a similar setup, but have no interest in a lift and I've had a hard time finding an active member with this tire size on a stock SK. Any information you can provide would be greatly appreciated!
No rubbing at all. I don’t understand why this size is not stock. Before the upgrade I went to the local dealer and asked “what is the largest size“ that I can put on a stock 2019 Forester. I was told 225/65R17 or 225/60R18 would be the “largest I would go”. The best part is that the gas mileage hit is small. Speedo shows a loss of 2 mpg, but if you take into consideration the larger wheel diameter, it calculates out to about 1.1 mpg difference. I chose the 225/65R17 as I wanted the taller side wall, else the 225/60R18 would work with OEM wheels. So for me, this is the perfect size.
 

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As the Crosstrek and the Forester share a common platform (and have for a few generations) the wheels can be a direct bold over "upgrade"... there are a lot of SJ Forester owners out there with Crosstrek rims... 17" on the NA 2.5 models... The 2.0 XT models use 18" tires but the same offset and bolt specifics.
2019 Forester switched to 5x114mm bolt pattern. Crosstrek still uses 5x100. There are some aftermarket wheels with 2 sets of bolt holes for both sizes.
 

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I'm looking at getting same size Black Rhino for my Forester and mine will be +40ET. They are an 8 inch rim as opposed to stock Forester 7 inch rim. I have Pirelli Scorpion AT Plus 225/65r17. My Understanding is that this combination increases track width by nearly 4 inches.
 

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@Gavinbaker So the centre of each wheel is the measurement for track width so pushing each rim out from ET48 to ET40 = 8mm + half the additional wheel width = 12.7mm (1/2") = 20.7mm (.81") on each side so that's a total of 41.4mm (1.62") isn't it rather than 4" ? :unsure:
 

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@Gavinbaker So the centre of each wheel is the measurement for track width so pushing each rim out from ET48 to ET40 = 8mm + half the additional wheel width = 12.7mm (1/2") = 20.7mm (.81") on each side so that's a total of 41.4mm (1.62") isn't it rather than 4" ? :unsure:
Yeah, my error. I misread a tyre calculator. Just rechecked and the offset only adds total of 16 mm to track. Does the extr inch of wheel width add to the track because the tyre width of 225 won't change. A tyre guy told me you just end up with a more vertical tyre wall and a slightly harsher ride.???
 
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