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I love my country.... But why the hell are we trying to build electric cars when diesel technology is already there?! And it works.
 

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It's not about having something that works, it's about selling cars and electric cars are trendy.
Trendy where? The only one that somewhat works is the Tesla and only a few can afford it. (plus: its batteries are built by children in 3rd world countries where there are little EPA regulations)
I work in Boulder, CO on a campus of over 2,000 ppl. There's never more than a couple of Leafs and maybe one Volt sitting in the charging stations.

Here's my opinion:
The Big 3 and special interest groups want easy money from the government(ie. taxpayer). Diesel technology is already proven so the government would not provide any free R&D cash for the Big 3 or firms to start using turbo diesels in their vehicles. Electric is inefficient and needs years to refine and billions of dollars, government subsidy dollars, subsidy dollars that are going to fund a huge department with many managers making 7 figures a year.

You want an electric that works? Then build a small diesel generator and put a servo on each wheel. Works in locomotives, should work on a smaller scale.
 

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^^what he said.. I can't stand the hybrid crap we have here in NA. Most of it is no more environmentally friendly than the regular cars.

I don't understand why diesel technology hasn't taken off here. EVERYONE loves their diesel trucks, why not cars?
 

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Trendy where?
uh..what planet are you on? Here in the USA it's extremely trendy. Tokyo International Auot Show, 75% of the cars were EV. In crazyland (CA) it seems like every 6th car is a Prius and almost every slowass car in front of me is one too..

It doesn't matter, the extra cost for a hybrid isn't actually offset by fuel savings, people are bad at math. They also think they are doing the environment a favor so they buy them to do their part. I remember watching a few minutes of MTV cribs in the early years, countless celebs showing off their environmentally responsible Prius and then heading into the kitchen to show off their Vicking fridge, chalk full of bottle waters..

Smog? The carbon output of a Prius vs. a PZEV NA vs. Clean diesel is minuscule and shouldn't be a justified reason to purchase something. Smog is from industrial waste and the corporate loopholes that allow it to happen is the problem, not commuter cars.
 

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I want to get a more fuel efficient vehicle for my next ride and the one thing that makes me hesitant about getting a hybrid here in Vegas is that batteries don't last very long in the extreme heat. I really wish there were more diesel options to choose from.
 

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uh..what planet are you on? Here in the USA it's extremely trendy. Tokyo International Auot Show, 75% of the cars were EV. In crazyland (CA) it seems like every 6th car is a Prius and almost every slowass car in front of me is one too..

It doesn't matter, the extra cost for a hybrid isn't actually offset by fuel savings, people are bad at math. They also think they are doing the environment a favor so they buy them to do their part. I remember watching a few minutes of MTV cribs in the early years, countless celebs showing off their environmentally responsible Prius and then heading into the kitchen to show off their Vicking fridge, chalk full of bottle waters..

Smog? The carbon output of a Prius vs. a PZEV NA vs. Clean diesel is minuscule and shouldn't be a justified reason to purchase something. Smog is from industrial waste and the corporate loopholes that allow it to happen is the problem, not commuter cars.
Uh.. Earth.
Maybe I should clarify my world. From the mountains of California to the Mississippi River and from Alaska to Mexico, I ain't seeing ***** for electric cars.
Yes, you can rent them at tourist trap areas, there's maybe 5 where I work at, and I actually seen a Volt in Des Moines Iowa back in August. But the sales numbers are saying, drum roll plz, TOTAL FLOP!
 

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I'm wondering what the probability of the Forester Diesel coming to the U.S. in 2015. That is just one reason I'm waiting for the 2015 Forester, but if that doesn't happen, then will settle for a Touring 2.5i, gas.
 

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I'm wondering what the probability of the Forester Diesel coming to the U.S. in 2015. That is just one reason I'm waiting for the 2015 Forester, but if that doesn't happen, then will settle for a Touring 2.5i, gas.
I think we'd have an idea by now if it was coming. I hope I am wrong.
 

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Uh.. Earth.
Maybe I should clarify my world. From the mountains of California to the Mississippi River and from Alaska to Mexico, I ain't seeing ***** for electric cars.
Yes, you can rent them at tourist trap areas, there's maybe 5 where I work at, and I actually seen a Volt in Des Moines Iowa back in August. But the sales numbers are saying, drum roll plz, TOTAL FLOP!
I include Hybrids as being electric - because they are dumb.
 

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How long have we been waiting for that to happen? 30 odd years still the only diesels in NA are trucks. The only reason we have trucks that are diesel?? So we can haul more **** not because its better for the environment or that it has the potential for better mpg. haha We will dream forever and nothing will change
 

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To me it seems like we rely heavily on diesel to power our semis to get our goodies distributed throughout the country so the powers that be don't want to drain that resource by having a bunch of consumer cars using up all of the diesel.

Just a thought.
 

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Diesel is awesome. I am in the process of selling my 2010 VW TDI because I'm not putting enough miles on it to make it pay for itself right now.

The problem in the US is that there are no cheap diesel vehicles. They are almost always the top of the line and the US manufacturers charge far too much of a premium.

I think a small SUV like this would kill it if priced correctly.
 

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To me it seems like we rely heavily on diesel to power our semis to get our goodies distributed throughout the country so the powers that be don't want to drain that resource by having a bunch of consumer cars using up all of the diesel.

Just a thought.
Yeah when was the last time you heard of a diesel refinery being built, mostly I just hear of them closing.


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