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Yeah, if I was in your case, I would jump ship. You might not get very much for the car, but having one you trust makes you feel a lot better considering you spend a big percentage of your life in a car.
The local Honda dealer is still after me for a trade on a CRV but they're only offering 11k tradein value. Book on the car is 15500 retail so I'm going to try to sell it myself this summer.
 

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The local Honda dealer is still after me for a trade on a CRV but they're only offering 11k tradein value. Book on the car is 15500 retail so I'm going to try to sell it myself this summer.
Check your state laws on a private sale. Around here (MA) you can't sell a car "as is" except for parts. If you sell it to a private party there's an implied fitness warranty, i.e. you could find yourself on the hook for the HG problem after you sell it.

Not saying that's the law where you're at, only that its worth looking into. I've had two friends that have bought their cars back after selling them. That can be a lot of cash out of pocket as in both cases they used the sale money for down payments on their next cars.

Very messy, and why I've never done a private sale on a car in this state unless its got a transferrable extended warranty on it, and I transferred it to the new owner when I sold them the car.

Either way good luck. We're hoping the wife's OB lasts until its paid off then we'll trade it on something else.
 

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Check your state laws on a private sale. Around here (MA) you can't sell a car "as is" except for parts. If you sell it to a private party there's an implied fitness warranty, i.e. you could find yourself on the hook for the HG problem after you sell it.

Not saying that's the law where you're at, only that its worth looking into. I've had two friends that have bought their cars back after selling them. That can be a lot of cash out of pocket as in both cases they used the sale money for down payments on their next cars.

Very messy, and why I've never done a private sale on a car in this state unless its got a transferrable extended warranty on it, and I transferred it to the new owner when I sold them the car.

Either way good luck. We're hoping the wife's OB lasts until its paid off then we'll trade it on something else.
I think I'm good to go on the "As Is" part, at least as far as NC is concerned. I've sold a couple of cars there without any problems. TN I'll have to check on. There's a couple of little used car lots around town so I'll go look there and see if they're selling their cars "as is".
 

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The ONLY reason I even looked at another Subaru is for the AWD. I know from experience just how capable it is in the snow. I've got the summer to find something else that is equally capable before winter hits again. Plus I've got a call into the state attorney general's office regarding my situation and that's documented too. Being noisy on the forums couldn't hurt either.
Just so you know not all Subarus have the HG issues, just consider something that does not have the EJ25 block, I love the EJ22 and the H6.
 

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Just so you know not all Subarus have the HG issues, just consider something that does not have the EJ25 block, I love the EJ22 and the H6.
Which cars use the EJ22? I thought all the new NA cars used the EJ25, with the exception of the Outback H6.
 

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Which cars use the EJ22? I thought all the new NA cars used the EJ25, with the exception of the Outback H6.
Yeah, I was referring to new and old. I have a couple EJ22 subys in the driveway. Mostly Legacy/Impreza platform pre-03.
 

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The EJ22 was used up to '01 in the Impreza in the states.

Pretty much the engine that gave Subaru the good reputation for durability and reliability. I have a family member who has close to 350K on his '91 Legacy. The heads have never been off and they have nothing more then the dark staining of oil around the HG area, they do not leak enough to keep the area wet with oil just enough to stain it. It has had all the typical crap replaced several times wheel bearings/hubs, various engine seals, diff seals............ and the list goes on. The suspension mounting points for the rear have been reinforced due to rusting through.

Due to the overwhelming cancer(rust) progressing he will be forced send the car to the crusher this year. The funny thing, he is searching CL for a 2002+ Outback with HG issues or just a plain dead engine to pick up cheap. The plan is to either "A" rebuild the 2.2L from his old Legacy and drop it in as a long block or "B"(my wish) drop it in with a set of 2.5L SOHC heads I have sitting on the shelf or source a set of '97+ 2.2L SOHC heads, no hydrolic lifters, roller cam followers, frees up HP seeing as it the 2.2L SOHC only has ~130 hp ~135 torque. Plain and simple he does want the HG issues with the 2.5L NA.
 

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The EJ22 was used up to '01 in the Impreza in the states.

Pretty much the engine that gave Subaru the good reputation for durability and reliability. I have a family member who has close to 350K on his '91 Legacy. The heads have never been off and they have nothing more then the dark staining of oil around the HG area, they do not leak enough to keep the area wet with oil just enough to stain it. It has had all the typical crap replaced several times wheel bearings/hubs, various engine seals, diff seals............ and the list goes on. The suspension mounting points for the rear have been reinforced due to rusting through.

Due to the overwhelming cancer(rust) progressing he will be forced send the car to the crusher this year. The funny thing, he is searching CL for a 2002+ Outback with HG issues or just a plain dead engine to pick up cheap. The plan is to either "A" rebuild the 2.2L from his old Legacy and drop it in as a long block or "B"(my wish) drop it in with a set of 2.5L SOHC heads I have sitting on the shelf or source a set of '97+ 2.2L SOHC heads, no hydrolic lifters, roller cam followers, frees up HP seeing as it the 2.2L SOHC only has ~130 hp ~135 torque. Plain and simple he does want the HG issues with the 2.5L NA.
Nice! The 2.2L really doesn't have alot of HP, but it never dissappoints when I need power out of it.
 

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If Subaru could reintroduce the 2.2L with some newer enhancements and a little more hp (to equal the 2.5L NA), I would so buy it.
 

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If Subaru could reintroduce the 2.2L with some newer enhancements and a little more hp (to equal the 2.5L NA), I would so buy it.
Well folks, my HG problems are over ( I hope). I no longer own a Subaru. It has been a pleasure shooting the breeze with you folks and I appreciate the help and advice.

Erik
 

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Understand your decision though. Was good having you around and your experience regarding HGs!
 

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Well folks, my HG problems are over ( I hope). I no longer own a Subaru. It has been a pleasure shooting the breeze with you folks and I appreciate the help and advice.

Erik
If you're still looking here, what did you end up with? The CRV?

Good luck in any event.
 

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If you're still looking here, what did you end up with? The CRV?

Good luck in any event.
2010 CR-V EX-L at a price I'm still having a hard time believing. They made me a better offer, one I would've been crazy to turn down. I came back here so that I wouldn't leave anyone hanging and to say farewell.
 

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Here's another one. Just bought 97 1/2 (real early) SF. 150k. Needed clutch fork. While apart, did belts, water pump, etc. Just today, began to overheat...badly. Here's the odd thing: radiator is staying cool while temp gauge goes to top and fans come on. Car still runs fine. Thermostat ok. Topped up water, which cooled it down, but overheated again as soon as I drove it for a few minutes. If I open the bleed valve when it's "hot", steam comes out under pressure, but it still reads below 180 on my remote thermometer, and well below 100 on the filler side.
Blown head gasket?
 

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Something's not letting the coolant circulate. Lots of choices: blocked radiator, old hose collapsing when its hot, water pump not pumping, and are you sure the thermostat's really opening?

I wouldn't worry about HG's yet, it really sounds more like a flow issue. If you keep driving it like that, you may have to worry about HG's soon however.
 

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2010 CR-V EX-L at a price I'm still having a hard time believing. They made me a better offer, one I would've been crazy to turn down. I came back here so that I wouldn't leave anyone hanging and to say farewell.
Wowow! i just read this whole thread and really am being turned off from buying a forester.. i have another thread int the shopping for forester thingy where i ask what would be good for an artist/painter to trade up from a escort wagon.. i had this list: crv, rav4, outback, highlander, forester so far.
Sounds like a lot of people are starting to look elsewhere from subs. I just dont want any hg issues as i dont know a thing about cars.
 

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Wowow! i just read this whole thread and really am being turned off from buying a forester.. i have another thread int the shopping for forester thingy where i ask what would be good for an artist/painter to trade up from a escort wagon.. i had this list: crv, rav4, outback, highlander, forester so far.
Sounds like a lot of people are starting to look elsewhere from subs. I just dont want any hg issues as i dont know a thing about cars.
All brands have problems Subaru makes a great car. All engines will need seals and gaskets when they get older. Some other cars have transmissions fail some have windows regulators fail. Have have seen repairs for windows on one car for 1700. I have seen dash boards and all other panels in cars split at 3 to 4 years old. No one makes a perfect car
 

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All brands have problems Subaru makes a great car. All engines will need seals and gaskets when they get older. Some other cars have transmissions fail some have windows regulators fail. Have have seen repairs for windows on one car for 1700. I have seen dash boards and all other panels in cars split at 3 to 4 years old. No one makes a perfect car
yes true..
can you help me understand the comment a few back that said

"Just so you know not all Subarus have the HG issues, just consider something that does not have the EJ25 block, I love the EJ22 and the H6.

Which cars use the EJ22? I thought all the new NA cars used the EJ25, with the exception of the Outback H6.
Yeah, I was referring to new and old. I have a couple EJ22 subys in the driveway. Mostly Legacy/Impreza platform pre-03.
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idk what this means in plain speak? how do i find a forester with h6 or whatever it means since when i look on CG all it says is 2.5i Limited or similar.. sorry i am a newbie at car shopping.
 

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Wowow! i just read this whole thread and really am being turned off from buying a forester.. i have another thread int the shopping for forester thingy where i ask what would be good for an artist/painter to trade up from a escort wagon.. i had this list: crv, rav4, outback, highlander, forester so far.
Sounds like a lot of people are starting to look elsewhere from subs. I just dont want any hg issues as i dont know a thing about cars.
I see you are still fretting about the choices but rest assured, all cars have issues and the best you can do is try to get hold of a good specimen of any particular make and model.

You are certainly justified in your concerns, however I believe if you take the time to research the rest of the vehicles listed, you will find something to be concerned about with all of them and in the end, the more you get to know any given vehicle, the more concerned you will be about buying one.

This is what a quick search yielded for me on the Rav 4 and CRV and I think you might be better off to pick the vehicle you like best, find as good a specimen as you can of that particular car, and then concern yourself with potential problems, otherwise you may drive yourself insane, lol.

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I have a Honda CRV 2003 with 69,500 miles. A few days ago I noticed the engine light coming on; then the air conditioning started failing intermittently. Finally it started losing power but after it cooled down, it worked fine. When it failed to start altogether, I took it to the dealer. They told me that I had a blown head gasket and that it would cost a couple of thousand dollars to repair if it is not covered by the warranty.


Toyota RAV4 head bolt failure
Is it common for the head bolt threads in the block to fail, resulting in a head gasket leak? Our 2003 RAV4, with about 180k miles, started overheating on a trip. The mechanic pulled the head to replace the gasket, resurfaced and vacuum-tested the head, and when replacing the head bolts found the threads were stripped on two of them. If fixed with a helicoil, are the repaired threads likely to fail again?
 

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Wowow! i just read this whole thread and really am being turned off from buying a forester.. i have another thread int the shopping for forester thingy where i ask what would be good for an artist/painter to trade up from a escort wagon.. i had this list: crv, rav4, outback, highlander, forester so far.
Sounds like a lot of people are starting to look elsewhere from subs. I just dont want any hg issues as i dont know a thing about cars.
One thing you must keep in mind. This is a car forum as you know, However a lot of people use forums to vent about their car problems, as with every thing else you will read/hear more people venting about car problems then signing praise. Whats the first thing they teach in advertising "A customer who has a bad experience will tell 10+ people about it, meanwhile a customer who has a good experience will only tell 1 or 2 if they tell any at all". My point is, you will read more bad stories on the forums then good ones. People have an issue, they research it, find a hit on a forum and then join that forum to share like stories........10,000 other people read it and pass it on as if it is the golden rule.

I personally wouldn't let the HG issue you see on here be the deciding factor to sway you out of any Subaru. It is about the only major issue that some times arises with the Naturally Aspirated(non-turbo/NA) Subarus. I know of several 2.5L NAs that are around with friends and family at about the 200K mark with out any issues.

The 2.5L turbos rarely have HG issues and the same can be said for any of the H6 engines. The 2.5L turbo can be had in the forester, the H6 is only in the outback and Tribeca. The EJ22 is no longer available in new Subarus, it has been phased out.

Forums are a good place to research the negatives of any vehicle but you must keep in mind that they are rarely good at representing the positive side of the vehicle in that research. The CRV, RAV4, Highlander in your list all also have their own particular issues depending on which generations you are looking at The potential for various engine, transmission and wheel bearing issues. About the same as the Forester(a Subaru) or any other car for that mater.

Another thing to keep in mind is when researching Subarus and HG, look at the date of the article, web page, years that are being referenced, most of the stuff out there is in regards to mid/late '90s to '02/'03 in which Subaru acknowledged an issue and extended the HG warranty to 8yrs/100K for those customers.

If you like the Forester but fear the HG issue, look at the turbo(XT). The MPG are not that much different(many XT owners get better then their NA counter parts if they drive responsible. Insurance is in many cases cheaper then the NA, as there are fewer on the roads thus the accident rate is less.
 
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