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Old 02-12-2008, 04:15 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Different manufacturers call this feature by there own unique name but Subaru calls it Sportshift on their automatics. But what is the point? Does Sportshift enhance an automatic in a practical sense or is it just a gimmick? I drive a manual and think that a sportshift is a gimmick but like I said I have never ever used one. Any comments?

Also, are these sportshifts reliable? I bet they make an automatic a lot mor complex and expensive to repair.
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Subaru's sportshift will hold whatever gear selected and will not downshift on it's own like regular A/Ts.
It's mechanically the same tranny with a modified controller.
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Subaru's sportshift will hold whatever gear selected and will not downshift on it's own like regular A/Ts.
It's mechanically the same tranny with a modified controller.
I know what it does but question it's practical value. It seems like a toy.
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Shortshift, if implemented properly, is a very nice thing indeed - I would (have) seriously consider(ed) it over the manual. However, I have not yet seen a decent implementation of this feature. Dunno about new Foresters, but I've driven 2007 Outback with sport**** on 4EAT, and it was CRAP! Took forever to change gears... I am not 100% sure, but I believe it did not hold them either
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We have this option on our VW. It is mostly gimmicky as far as the "sportiness" of it. I use it when driving in the mountains if it's snowy or icy. I don't think it adds too much complexity to the transmission. It's all computer controlled, and the computer won't let you execute a shift that would damage the tranny. For example, you can't shift into first gear when going 50mph.
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Personally, I wish I had one.
The A/Ts have a nasty habit of premature downshifting when power is applied.
Sportshift is the solution, but wasn't available at the time.
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Yup. I think Sportshift is quite an improvement over a regular AT. I test drove an Outback with the Sportshift transmission when I was shopping for my Forester, and it gave me serious second thoughts. (The Forester's smaller size won out in the end.)

The Forester is my first automatic. And the fact that I can shift down to 3rd or 2nd and hold it there is great. But it doesn't work for shifting up. If I had a Sportshift option where I could control this more directly, I would be even happier.

My dream would be VW's DSG (dual clutch sequential gearbox) with paddle shifters in a Forester XT. That would be heaven! Unfortunately, Toyota bought GM's stake in FHI. So all we're going to get is a sucky CVT (continuously variable transmission).
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These days there are automatics and there is DSG. DSG is an electronically controlled manual transmission so there is no torque converter to sap power. Everything else is just a modern version of the automatic that will allow you to hold gears and up/down shift with a paddle. Those are junk.
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These days there are automatics and there is DSG. DSG is an electronically controlled manual transmission so there is no torque converter to sap power. Everything else is just a modern version of the automatic that will allow you to hold gears and up/down shift with a paddle. Those are junk.
There are also several robotized-manual designs that do not use the dual-clutch principle, and which do not have a torque converter.

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I like it, yes it's a gimmick and it's overall practicality is questionable but it allows for earlier upshifts which I very much appreciate. It does however still downshift automatically which, as I've said elsewhere, is a pain when you're on an incline and you know that you could happily plod along in top or whatever the next gear up might be.
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Personally, I wish I had one.
The A/Ts have a nasty habit of premature downshifting when power is applied.
Sportshift is the solution, but wasn't available at the time.
Try applying power more slowly. You may be initiating "passing mode kickdown".
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I don't ususally mash the pedal, rather I "roll" onto it.
It does whatever the frig it wants to anyway.
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I don't ususally mash the pedal, rather I "roll" onto it.
It does whatever the frig it wants to anyway.
... And you really never really know what it's going to do.. I've seen it jump all over three different gears and back and act like the friggin' engine is going to fly out of the hood. Dadgum computer trying to compute based on my foot.. Absolute CRAP! Last auto-trans subie I shall ever buy. Period!!!!!

All this really boils down to, putting the foot down and telling the wife, ya know what, if you gotta drive my car, you get to drive a stick.. love ya honey.. deal with it! One day out of the year of her convenience, and I get to cuss every day I drive the stinking thing. Sorry for the vent.. whew I feel better now.

This is the big reason I'm not doing the stereo mods... I reeeeally can't see owning this car more than a couple years unless I can find some kind of computer hack style solution or some sportshift / accessport kinda thing that will fix the poor attempt to make the 4EAT think for itself.
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Personally, I wish I had one.
The A/Ts have a nasty habit of premature downshifting when power is applied.
Sportshift is the solution, but wasn't available at the time.
is this your experience with Subaru's automatics or all automatics?
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All this really boils down to, putting the foot down and telling the wife, ya know what, if you gotta drive my car, you get to drive a stick.. love ya honey.. deal with it! One day out of the year of her convenience, and I get to cuss every day I drive the stinking thing. Sorry for the vent.. whew I feel
been there too. and now I have a 5spd. I would plan to trade cuz no matter what you add it will never be what you really want.
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