Blackstone results (post your UOA's) - Page 3

SubaJew · 05-24-2006, 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sirwilliam

Well, I gathered from the info I got back stating that I had a "too restrictive air filter causing too much fuel in the oil" that my K&N was dirty. I took a look today and dirty was an understatement.

Guess I will be cleaning it every 20K miles instead of 40K miles.

I've always cleaned mine every 10k miles.
"An ounce of prevention ..."

bluesubie · 06-11-2006, 08:59 AM

Looks like I'll need to switch to a thinner oil next winter. The fuel is not being burned off because of my short 5 mile commute (plus I'm running the oil for 7,500 miles). Usually excessive fuel causes the viscosity to go way down, but this German Castrol Syntec is amazing stuff. :)

First column is current (gold GC), second column gold GC w/6,144 miles, third column green GC w/5,930 and fourth is M1 5W30 w/5,774.

Quote:

Equipment make: Subaru
Equipment model: 2.5L Turbo
Oil use interval: 7,478
Oil type & Grade: Castrol Syntec 0W30
Make-up oil added: 0
Miles on unit: 37,478
Air filter: OEM
Oil filter: OEM

Aluminum 4 4 4 6
Chromium 1 1 1 1
Iron 16 11 10 15
Copper 7 10 6 20
Lead 3 3 2 2
Tin 0 1 0 0
Molybdenum 9 4 12 63
Nickel 0 0 1 0
Maganese 1 0 0 0
Silver 0 0 0 0
Titanium 0 0 0 0
Potassium 0 0 0 3
Boron 0 1 14 115
Silicon 13 15 15 18
Sodium 18 6 2 6
Calcium 2165 1689 2582 3394
Magnesium 436 398 106 10
Phosphorous 816 754 680 764
Zinc 1011 909 818 904
Barium 0 0 0 1

Properties
SUS Viscosity @ 210F: 66.4
Flashpoint: 340F [>385]
Fuel %: 2.3 [<2.0]
Antifreeze: ? [0]
Water: 0 [<0.1]
Insolubules: .2 [<.6]

Dennis: Your fuel dilution had been improving, though it jumped back up to a problem level in this oil. The viscosity increased and this is backwards of what we normally see with high fuel, so we aren’t sure if the fuel is a major concern or not. The viscosity was still in the 30W range, so we can’t complain about it too much. Iron wear increased with the longer oil run which is normal, and all other wear still looks good. Sodium could show some antifreeze, though no potassium was found, so we don’t think that’s the case. We’ll keep an eye on these findings next sample.

Post on BITOG

-Dennis

lfdal · 08-23-2006, 11:17 AM

Here's my results @ 36383 miles - trending over time isn't that great -copper high, sodium climbing.....

Oil changed about every 3k or so, Also, oil is a 10w-30 but after 3k they've oserved its more like a 5w-30.

The fuel and air filters are changed every 12k. At 3.20 gallon won't take me that long to recover the cost.

bluesubie · 08-23-2006, 01:45 PM

You should definitely have a Dyson Analysis performed. IMO, your copper, silicon and sodium are unusual for a Subaru with so few miles on the oil. Have you always run QS?

If you check the air filter forums at bitog, most of those guys say that air filters work better when slightly dirty. Changing every 12k might be too frequent. Are you running OEM oil and air filters?

A viscosity of 57.5 SUS is in the low range of a 30 weight, but that isn't all that unusal for most Energy Conserving 30 weights used in a turbo in the summer. I run German Castrol 0W30 because it's thicker.

Are you running any mods? Post this up at bitog. I'd be intereted in seeing what the experts have to say. :)

edit: Did some searching at bitog:
http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/...c;f=3;t=003371
Did a search with "Subaru copper" in the UOA forum. A couple of 2.5 turbo's came up (one was mine) and they had high copper due to break-in. It was 20 ppm. Found the above one and the guy found out he had a blown head gasket with a dyson analysis. Copper was normal though.

-Dennis

lfdal · 08-24-2006, 07:57 AM

Dennis, thanks for the info.

At the next change I'll grab a sample and have a Dyson analysis done. I had one done way back a the first sample.

Tonight I'll also take a look at bitog and see how I post over there.

With the exception of 2 changes with Castrol 10w-30 SynBlend its always been QS 10w30 synblend.

I agree, that at this point I'm not too thrilled with the engine wear.

Hadn't heard that about air filters before - does that mean the air going in can be too clean?

Or does having dirt in the filter help trap yet more dirt? I do know that both air filter's I've pulled out have been plenty dirty.

In fact, maybe I'll draw a sample before the next change is due.

Added pdf file......

Also - OEM filters, city / highway is about 80/20.

Thanks again
Larry

lfdal · 08-25-2006, 08:01 AM

Dennis - I tried to register on bitog to post, but they're not accepting new registrations, at least for now. Kind of killed my incentive to donate to the site.

bluesubie · 08-25-2006, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lfdal

Dennis - I tried to register on bitog to post, but they're not accepting new registrations, at least for now. Kind of killed my incentive to donate to the site.

If you want, post or PM me your general driving conditions(and oil/air filter brands) and I'll post it over there if the link to your pdf works. It must be a temporary thing.

-Dennis

SubaJew · 08-28-2006, 03:45 PM

New results attached.
Things are smoothing out.
Not driving like a maniac helps.

SubaJew · 08-30-2006, 09:15 AM

The folks at Blackstone are super nice.
I wanted to purchase an analysis of virgin M1 5W-40 truck & SUV to compare to my used oil reports.
They provided for free a copy of one they did for themselves a while back.
Here it is:

bluesubie · 08-30-2006, 11:02 AM

Congratulations on not shearing the oil down to a 30 weight.

FYI, there are usually a lot of VOA's over on BITOG .

-Dennis

SubaJew · 08-30-2006, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bluesubie

Congratulations on not shearing the oil down to a 30 weight.

FYI, there are usually a lot of VOA's over on BITOG .

-Dennis

Thanks?

I saw those, but wanted a baseline from the same equipment mine was being tested with.
Apples - apples.

techy101 · 09-13-2006, 09:33 PM

I don't have photoshop, but I found a demo version of a PDF editor. There's an annoying watermark over the mileage slots, but I can just put that info into the post.

This is only my third time having this done. Usually I keep to closer to 3000 for oil changes, just happens to be the odd times that I don't that I've had samples taken. There was a major milage gap between the last change an this one, but still, I can't imagine that there should be a 1,750% jump in a wear metal.

Attached is the blackstone report.

The numbers that are covered up by the watermark are the total miles on the car From left to right they read
41,000: Unit/Location Averages: 28,800: 21,756

bluesubie · 09-15-2006, 11:24 AM

Check out the comments on bitog to ifdal's UOA that also showed high wear metals. You might want to try a thicker oil. Not necessarily a 40 weight since it's nearly winter, but even a 30 weight that meets European ACEA 3 requirements would be thicker and more shear stable than M1 5W30.

ifdal's UOA

Found this list of ACEA oils on nasioc: http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html

-Dennis

SubaJew · 11-10-2006, 04:36 PM

New results attached.
Fuel dilution has me a bit concerned.
Something to keep an eye on.

Subifreak · 11-10-2006, 05:54 PM

Did you change the oil Suba or going extended drain?

08-23-2006, 01:45 PM	#34 (permalink)
bluesubie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 411 Gallery: 0 iTrader: 0 / 0%	You should definitely have a Dyson Analysis performed. IMO, your copper, silicon and sodium are unusual for a Subaru with so few miles on the oil. Have you always run QS? If you check the air filter forums at bitog, most of those guys say that air filters work better when slightly dirty. Changing every 12k might be too frequent. Are you running OEM oil and air filters? A viscosity of 57.5 SUS is in the low range of a 30 weight, but that isn't all that unusal for most Energy Conserving 30 weights used in a turbo in the summer. I run German Castrol 0W30 because it's thicker. Are you running any mods? Post this up at bitog. I'd be intereted in seeing what the experts have to say. :) edit: Did some searching at bitog: http://theoildrop.server101.com/ubb/...c;f=3;t=003371 Did a search with "Subaru copper" in the UOA forum. A couple of 2.5 turbo's came up (one was mine) and they had high copper due to break-in. It was 20 ppm. Found the above one and the guy found out he had a blown head gasket with a dyson analysis. Copper was normal though. -Dennis Last edited by bluesubie : 08-23-2006 at 07:30 PM.

08-30-2006, 11:02 AM	#40 (permalink)
bluesubie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 411 Gallery: 0 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Congratulations on not shearing the oil down to a 30 weight. FYI, there are usually a lot of VOA's over on BITOG . -Dennis Last edited by bluesubie : 08-30-2006 at 11:12 AM.

09-15-2006, 11:24 AM	#43 (permalink)
bluesubie Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: NJ Posts: 411 Gallery: 0 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Check out the comments on bitog to ifdal's UOA that also showed high wear metals. You might want to try a thicker oil. Not necessarily a 40 weight since it's nearly winter, but even a 30 weight that meets European ACEA 3 requirements would be thicker and more shear stable than M1 5W30. ifdal's UOA Found this list of ACEA oils on nasioc: http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html -Dennis Last edited by bluesubie : 09-15-2006 at 11:47 AM.

11-10-2006, 05:54 PM	#45 (permalink)
Subifreak The convert formely known as Lexusfreak Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: St. Thomas, Ontario Posts: 4,221 Gallery: 0 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Did you change the oil Suba or going extended drain? __________________ Bren Proud owners of a 03 XS & 2005 Lexus ES330

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lfdal Contributing Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Metro Boston Posts: 471 Gallery: 0 iTrader: 6 / 100%	Dennis - I tried to register on bitog to post, but they're not accepting new registrations, at least for now. Kind of killed my incentive to donate to the site.