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Old 09-29-2007, 09:30 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default No window frame on Subie doors . . .

So what's the deal with this? My father's early 90's Legacy also had doors with no frame. Obviously, Subaru has designed their cars this way for a reason? What advantages would this provide? I can't think of any . . . however, I can think of a couple of reasons why this isn't a good idea . . .
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pros

- less weight on doors(?)
- easy work if repainting
- easier to install film-tint
- more convenient when door open


cons

- easy to slide things in
- less side support when sliding


probably aesthetic over function. i don't really know. remember when Brits used positive (+) as their chassis ground on some car makes? do they still do that?

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To be different. Excluding the Tribeca and now the WRX, the only Subaru to have framed windows was the SVX since 1989.
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Old 09-29-2007, 11:25 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Subaru follows the best: look Porshe,some models of BMW also have no frame and it works.
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I was told it's for safety. If your head hits the glass (God forbid) the window will give some. The salesman demonstrated this by slamming the door shut with his hand between the b-pillar and the window.
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Subaru follows the best: look Porshe,some models of BMW also have no frame and it works.
do the Evos have frameless windows? i know my cousin's 3000GT VR4 and some friends with the turbo generation Eclipses had frameless windows. my 95 240sx had frameless windows as well.

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I was told it's for safety. If your head hits the glass (God forbid) the window will give some. The salesman demonstrated this by slamming the door shut with his hand between the b-pillar and the window.
i've done that before, by accident of course. OUCH!

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i really like the frameless windows. makes it super to squeeze my big arse out of the car in my garage with the windows down. they're also a little lighter which has to be easier on the door hinges. my grandma's 80-something cutless had frameless doors, but the doors were so long and heavy that the hinge would sag about an inch when it was open.
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Also, consider aerodynamics. If you look, the windows have no frame to be recessed in. This give the side of the car a more streamlined profile. This is something that I recall the salesman saying.
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It was subaru's thing. Theres no real advantage to it. I guess in some circumstances it could be safer, but its also MUCH easier to break into. I really like them, especially with the windows down when you open it. Whenever I get out of my dad's car with the window down I hit myself with the top of the frame!
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Also, consider aerodynamics. If you look, the windows have no frame to be recessed in. This give the side of the car a more streamlined profile. This is something that I recall the salesman saying.
LOL, we all drive Foresters remember - flying bricks

I don't see any advantages other than it it different (which I like)

Plenty of disadvantages as already mentioned.
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I only see one advantage, and it probably doesn't apply to most of you.

I drive to Yosemite regularly. You sometimes see cars there that have been broken into by bears. They typically peel back a side window to enter. And at least once I've seen where they exited via another window. Anyway with frameless windows, the damage to your doors is less. Doesn't help your seats any though...

Frameless windows are of course normal on a convertible--I think a few convertibles had window frames, and they seemed a little odd. And back in the day they were required to have a 2-door hardtop (and the less common 4 door hardtop), where you lowered the front and back windows and got one big open space along the side of the car.

I would choose window frames. Don't the new Imprezas have them?
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A quick google search came up with this.

You'd probably rather have had frameless windows on that car, but it's not like that would have solved all your problems.
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Using less metal on the doors for window frames allows them to add that metal into the roof pillars-thus increasing the structure's resistance to buckling and collapsing. Ask anyone here thats been involved in an accident with their Subie, I'll bet they're thankful for the added streagth of the roof pillars. And, yes I like the pillarless doors for the same reasons as others have mentioned.
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I was told it's for safety. If your head hits the glass (God forbid) the window will give some. The salesman demonstrated this by slamming the door shut with his hand between the b-pillar and the window.
Did he let you slam it on his hand too?
If you were, god forbid, to roll the car and crumple the pillars, you could still open the doors! Also, more strength in the pillars, without impeding visibility.
Also, the quality of the engineering allows them to do it, without having shonky fitting windows. Why do dogs lick their balls?
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