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Unhappy Wifelets Foz Break Down

She caled from Worcester this morning, Temprature Guage in the red, heater blowing out ice cold air even on higest heat setting.

Do youy think I should call the recovery folk?

She did off to Foresters.

I thought head gasket??

They put in 3.5 Litres of water, started her up no problem.

Left it running for nearly an hour, no water loss heat/temp issues??

Took it for a spin up the road, turbo not much boost??

Water cominmng out of the exhaust.

I put a little bit of oil in it every week, none in the FSTI?

Ivan is taking it home tonight.

They are getting the pressure checked on the heag gasket then if ok, Turbo off, they think its one or the other.

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were there sign of water in the oil? or vice versa? if not maybe just the turbo pooping water into the pipe?

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Does not sound very nice either way. I hope it is an easy fix?
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No water in the oil when I checked the dip stick yesterday.

So you think the turbo then?


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could be leaking into the hotside i guess. id have thought if it was going in at heads or cylinders it would be vapour in the exhaust due to heat cycle. water would make me think its going in after the combustion cycle.

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I had this problem about 2 years ago. The bottom rad hose kept coming off and dumping all the coolant. If Mrs. Mac quit before the engine baked, all should be ok. Although I was quite careful in refitting the hose, after it happened for the third time I assumed I was just an idiot and gave it to a mechanic, end of problem .

That "suddenly throwing out cold air" thing is because of total coolant loss, suddenly, which rarely means HGs, it's usually a lower pipe burst/come undone. HGs would be more gradual and show up overheating under stress but would still allow heat from the matrix as it is still full of hot coolant. Hope all will be ok.

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Cheers for the replies, hoses were checked no splits or signs ofleaks. hope it is not serious.


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When a subaru head gasket goes it leaks water into the cylinders, it can easily hydrolock the engine on start up..

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It's not that funny metal pipe that rots at the bottom of the engine bay is it?
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It's not that funny metal pipe that rots at the bottom of the engine bay is it?
The oil cooler.

Shouldn't be as there would most likely have been water loss whilst at the garage, rather than boost troubles.

I could be spectacularly wrong though.
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I guess the easiest thing you can do to check is fill it up with water (if you are testing and it's leaking there's no point in wasting coolant/dropping it on the drive/in the drains. You can empty the water and refill it with coolant later), start the engine and bring it up to temp, with the in car heater temperature control "full on" because the matrix is obviously now empty. Once the engine is warm to the touch, clean and dry any coolant hoses and all their respective connections/pooling areas, and then restart. If there is a leak it should become obvious fairly quickly. Maybe some cardboard under the car and a good torch will help?

In order to have run the heater matrix dry (no hot air), I summise that the loss of coolant would have been fairly swift. If the HGs suddenly went causing so much coolant loss, the engine would surely have stalled by the over whelming influx of non combustible liquid. If they had been gradually breaking down for a while, surely the engine would have started over heating some time ago? I think the only way you will find a leak is with the engine running and the thermostat open, this is a reasonably easy test for most folks to do.

When you start the Foz, leave the coolant header tank (next to the PS pump) cap off. This will allow you to see what's going on and if there is a continuous discharge of air bubbles long after you have burped the system (taking into account the heater matrix), then the HGs are suspect. This can be observed through the opening and topping up done as needed but again, if you are constantly topping up after the thermostat has opened, then surely there is a leak. If none can be detected outside, how about inside? Or where the heater pipes go through the fire wall?

If all is well (and obviously it isn't), full coolant level should have been achieved within a couple of minutes of the temp gauge needle being at the operating point (about 40% of the gauge arc?) and burping should no longer be necessary after this time. By then, some sort of indicator should have made itself clear to you.

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any news Alan?

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Cheers for asking, pretty average really

Turbo not boosting, rad cap washer iffy.

So VF28 being swapped for VF30 ( I have no idead if this is a good Turbo?).

Rad flushed & Anti Freeze, new rad Cap, think the 3 plus litres was from the Turbo.

Lent Lucky wifelet a Saxo they took in part ex that they are selling on.

Wifelet got hit by a car in the car park!

Lucky says to me tonight, fuel warning light on the saxo?

Put petrol in I sugest.

She says it wont start.

I put in 5 Litres of Petrol from a can, It wont start! I think there is an airlock in the fuel system.

i cant even work out how to get the bonnet up!!!


So it loooks like Foresters will have to bring the Foz back to lucky o their break down truck & take away the saxo that wont start & has new dents in it!


Dont wee just love the girls???



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Fortunately she wasn't in the Fozzy when she got hit!

Two good news then :)
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Final part. Of thesaga.

When they road tested. It with. The new turbo now it is boosting, the water pump devrloped a leak, new water pump & the rusring pipe NDS identified, now running loike a dream.


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