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Old 11-25-2012, 02:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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2 different questions here:-
I'm worried that my clutch is on the way out, every now & then it slips a bit. Sometimes when I change up 1st to 2nd or 2nd to 3rd and let the clutch fully out the revs will rise by 2-300 then drop down again. No slipping on the down shift & I can't seem to make it slip by stamping on the accelerator. My previous experience of a failing clutch in a different type of car is that, once it starts slipping it quickly gets progressively worse until drive is pretty much gone but this occasional slip has been happening for a month or so.
Does this sound like a clutch going or something else, maybe a sticky release mechanism? I haven't looked at the mechanism yet as the weather has been pants & I have to work outside, also November is a frantic month for me

2nd question, Lidl, in their sale leaflet, are advertising snow chains available tomorrow for 20. If they still have some & they look OK, would a 4x4 use 1 pair or 2. If 1 pair I'm guessing they would go on the front, is that right.
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Mine's been doing that for the last...... since summer maybe - I can't get it to slip by stamping on the throttle in 5th either, but changing up causes the revs to rise by 200-300 before re-engaging the clutch - only happens when giving the beans though although has been doing it more often recently - This was covered in another thread somewhere, can't remember the outcome

I've 85K miles or so

1 pair of snow chains only, makes sense to put on the front as that's where the braking and steering is but I would think 2 pairs would be the ideal
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Old 11-25-2012, 02:40 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Thanks TMX, that makes me feel a bit better. If the weather eases up in the next couple of week I'll try to have a proper look at what's going on.

I'll look at the chains tomorrow but these special offers often sell out in a few hours.
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Not really any need for snow chains on a Forester unless you're using slicks
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Not really any need for snow chains on a Forester unless you're using slicks
Have to agree with this, I strolled through the winter of 2010/11 with WRG2s when we were 'supposedly' cut off for periods.

Downside was that I got to work every day
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Old 11-26-2012, 01:05 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Have to agree with this, I strolled through the winter of 2010/11 with WRG2s when we were 'supposedly' cut off for periods.

Downside was that I got to work every day
I'm happy getting to work, place is like a holiday camp & it means I don't use my own heating etc.
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Would say depends on conditions and terrain. When it gets a bit deep or compacted, chains on the front work great. Having said that have just fitted WR D3s and am amazed at their grip. The roads outside my house are steep, non metalled and covered with snow and ice at the moment but the car went up without any slippage.
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Well, I bought the chains, maybe I wasted my money but they were a bargain & seem to be reasonable quality.
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Just don't forget that it is an offence to use snow chains when they will damage the road surface.
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Old 09-18-2013, 01:47 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Still have this intermittent drive problem almost a year on. I'm not so sure it is the clutch, surely it would have died by now & even if I give it lots of revs when it's slipping I never get any smell of clutch burn.
I sent the problem to Car Mechanics Magazine, I'm a long time subscriber & have respect for their comments to readers queries. This was their reply:-

"Thank you for your "help" question. The suggestions I have come up with, although possible solutions still leave me wondering why the problem would only be present when changing up the gears, and not down.
I am presuming that the clutch pedal position is properly adjusted and that no actual loss of feel to the pedal occurs when the problem is present. As you say the clutch release arm sticking may cause the problem but there is little reason why it should.
The slave cylinder sticking or holding out is a possibility but rather than being due to a faulty slave cylinder I would look towards the hydraulic hose connecting the cylinder to the pipe. An internal fault with the hose, allowing the inner wall of the hose to act like a one way valve could cause the slave cylinder to hold pressure under Random circumstances.
Likewise a faulty clutch master cylinder may have a small amount of debris blocking the outlet port, causing similar circumstances.
One other option may be that it is not the clutch that is giving you the symptoms, but the symmetrical all-wheel drive system on your Subaru. It may be the viscous limited slip differential unit within the gearbox that is failing. This would be why the sudden releasing of the clutch has no effect. It may also explain why the symptoms only occur changing up and not down. It may be worth changing the gearbox / diff oil and checking it condition."


What they say about the diff makes some sense, I've found that if I keep some throttle on when it starts slipping drive will pick up. If the diff is slipping it might also explain why my fuel consumption has dropped off. The fluid level in the diff was supposedly checked at the last MoT. The owners handbook which came with the car shows a gearbox dipstick at the back of the engine somewhere below the clutch & brake reservoirs but I can't find one.

Sorry to ramble on a bit, does anyone have any thoughts on any of this?
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Have to agree with this, I strolled through the winter of 2010/11 with WRG2s when we were 'supposedly' cut off for periods.

Downside was that I got to work every day
Same here, it was great driving on some empty B roads (although all the main roads were stuck).
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You're clutch pedal is out of adjustment now the clutch is a little older.

There is a nut and adjuster at the top of the pedal so you can alter where the pedal sits so it releases (and puts pressure on the clutch) sooner. I had the same issue with my xt at 70k miles. There is a thread on it somewhere.

One thing to bear in mind is that if it's the original clutch and you now need to adjust the pedal you may be looking at a new clutch at some point in the future depending on how you drive.....

Snow chains seem a tad excessive? I managed to get around the whole of the UK in all of the snow last year and I was using the standard summer tyres my STI came with - I had no issues. I had a moment on "white Thursday" when 8 inches of snow fell in one night across North Wales and the midlands but this was down to the fact they only had 3mm tread left.

Get winter tyres like the others say. Nokians are awesome bits of kit. I am tempted by spending a little more this year and trying out Pirelli sottozero 2s. It'll depend how my mouse clicking goes on what I buy!

The sottozero get the same reviews and feedback as the Nokians but I am tempted to try a premium winter tyre once.
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I'll check the clutch pedal free play but I think it is OK. I'll also check the gearbox/diff fluid level when I can find where the dipstick is hidden.
You're probably right about the chains but I'll be the one laughing when the second ice age arrives.
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Can it be that you are getting occasional slip due to oil in your clutch?
I dont think it would be the pedal needing adjustment.
Is it the stock original clutch and if yes how many miles has it got?
If it is slipping you should notice more slip on 3rd and 4th.

The only other problem i can think is the transfer box playing up.....
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Can it be that you are getting occasional slip due to oil in your clutch?
I dont think it would be the pedal needing adjustment.
Is it the stock original clutch and if yes how many miles has it got?
If it is slipping you should notice more slip on 3rd and 4th.

The only other problem i can think is the transfer box playing up.....
I did think about oil in the clutch but the car does not use much oil. The pedal free play seems OK, I'm more convinced now that it's a transmission problem. I'll check the level in the gearbox tomorrow if I can ever find the dipstick.
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