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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 01-01-2009, 08:09 AM Thread Starter
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PZEV and paying $200 more for it

Is there any benefit to having PZEV as an option on the 2009 Forester?
It costs $200 more and I have no idea what the benefit is if any.
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PZEV (partial zero emission vehicles) are now required on all non-turbos sold in CA, WA, CT, MA, ME, NJ, NY, OR, PA, RI, VT.
But in essence all of the 09 non-turbos have the same PZEV engine, just not necessarily the fancy badge outside of the states listed above.

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The benefit is that you're doing your part to save the Polar Bears!
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If your buying it as a NEW vehicle in any of the following states, CA, WA, CT, MA, ME, NJ, NY, OR, PA, RI, VT, then it's mandatory. Even if you buy the vehicle in an adjacent state, but it's first registration is going to be in any of the above states, you MUST have it. Like rear defrosters were in the 70's

What you get for that $200 is a different ECU ( part number and internal programming ) and a different Catalytic Converter. They will come into play in the future $$$ if/when they are ever replaced.

So seeing you are from Mass and buying NEW you probably will not have a choice.

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The good news is that since you're getting it one of the aforementioned states, except WA for some reason if I recall, the emissions warranty is very, very long.

And since it is PZEV, you're driving one of the cleanest emission vehicles on the road.

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Plus the entire emissions system is warrantied for 15-year or 150,000-miles. I think that alone is worth the added cost

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The benefit is that you're doing your part to save the Polar Bears!
The climate change that is affecting the bears is the global warming effect which a growing number of scientists believe is due in part to human influence, i.e. green house gas emissions. Carbon Dioxide. The Subaru PZEV does not reduce CO2 emissions, it reduces smog forming emissions and fine particulates.

PZEV badged Subarus get an improved Catalytic Converter and the engine ECU (computer) programming is slightly different than the non-PZEV engine. The leaner air/fuel during closed loop operation (cold & warmup) is one reason PZEV engines run slightly "rougher" on cold start and through warm-up, plus they idle faster during closed loop because the ECU has to maintain a faster idle (than non-PZEV) during warm-up due to this leaner mixture.

On the East Coast I would think a PZEV would command a better resale value down the road, too, as more and more East Coast states adopt the California Emissions model for their state (CARB emissions model).

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Do a search...you might have to seriously dig for it, but I believe the PZEV also come with 5 more horse power then the standard engine.

Also, I've heard that it costs much more then $200 for the differences, however car companies are not allowed to charge more then that for the option. As such, I've been told they only honor the extended emissions warranty if you buy it and first register it in a state that requires it. Otherwise it falls under the normal emissions warranty.

One other thing, b/c the engine tries to warm up faster I've heard there's a clanking/rattling that the the PZEV make when they first start up and it's cold. After several seconds it goes away, and it only does this if the engine is very cold.

Anyways, this is all information that I've been told and I wanted to mention for completeness. Please don't shoot the messenger, or take what I've said for gospel, please do some more research yourself to verify (or refute) it. Like I said, i'm just mentioning it for completeness
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The climate change that is affecting the bears is the global warming effect which a growing number of scientists believe is due in part to human influence, i.e. green house gas emissions. Carbon Dioxide. The Subaru PZEV does not reduce CO2 emissions, it reduces smog forming emissions and fine particulates.
Ahhhhh, I was just joshin' about the bears :) I only saw the commercial for Al Gore's movie, I didn't actually watch it. Driving my PZEV Forester is still better for the planet (and us) than driving my non emissions controlled '71 Chevy :)

Even if my Forester didn't come with PZEV and I didn't live in a state that mandated it I would shell out the extra money for it if it was available.
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I never had to pay extra for me PZEV. PM me if you want the name of my dealer, they are great and will not give you a run around. Only an hour from Boston.
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FYI, I purchased a non-PZEV in MD and am registering it in NJ. The following is from an email from Subaru explaining my options:

"If you were to purchase a 2009 Forester in MD, you do not have to purchase a PZEV model even though you are going to register it in NJ. This is because the non-PZEV 2009 Forester 2.5X models still meet the emissions standards of NJ. The 2009 Forester 2.5X models are cleaner than NJ requires. Yes, if you purchase a PZEV model in MD to register it in NJ, the vehicle would still have the PZEV warranty noted in your message below. If the vehicle is not a PZEV model, the vehicle would not have the PZEV warranty."

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Is there any benefit to having PZEV as an option on the 2009 Forester?
It costs $200 more and I have no idea what the benefit is if any.
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My 09 isn't a PZEV, at least theres no badge on the car stating so, I purchased it on Long Island, I thought I read that in NY its a mandate------
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PZEV has lower HP I believe, not more.
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If anything HP should be the same, unless the PZEV catalytic converter is more restrictive. I think I read where the cat is the same flow rate, but has more rhodium or was it some other of the precious metals it had more of (?) to catalyze pollutants more thoroughly.

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The dealership that I just purchased my 10' Forester from said that they charge an extra $300 for PZEV, which I did get because it had everything I wanted. Not required here in Virginia, but she said that they aren't carrying non-PZEV models anymore.
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