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Old 05-21-2012, 02:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Tomorrow I am looking at a 2010 Forester X Premium with a PZEV engine. Is this a good thing?
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You're going to have to be more specific... "Good" in what sense? I see you're from FL, so you aren't required to have the PZEV model. If you're trying to be conscious of the environment, sure it's "good." In an oversimplified sense, all the PZEV trim entails is some slightly different tuning, different cat set-up, and a badge.
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Yep. I believe the major mechanical difference is that it employs a 2nd catalytic converter. Other than that not going to be noticeably different than a normal 2.5. It's a california thing mostly.
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IIRC, PZEV's have a faster and noisier cold start idle speed. Lights off the special cat quicker.
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So is it a tax break they give you in those states for having it?
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Some good PZEV info: It's What Makes a Subaru, a Subaru: Controlling Emissions - Part Two
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So is it a tax break they give you in those states for having it?
No tax break, just a longer emissions warranty (15 yr/150k miles).
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So is it a tax break they give you in those states for having it?
Well there is a tax for PZEV. You get to pay Subaru $300 for the PZEV "option".
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The PZEV warranty doesn't count in Florida, as the California emissions are not required there as in some other states. In terms of "good", rumor has it that you get a 175 hp EJ25 engine in the '09or '10 Forester X, instead of the regular ol' 170 hp.

My '09 Forester's EJ25 engine had PZEV emissions, and my '12's FB25 engine does as well. I've not noticed any unusual start-up behavior or noise from either.

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Takes the additional 5hp to push through all that back pressure and remain the same "speed"...

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You're going to have to be more specific... "Good" in what sense? I see you're from FL, so you aren't required to have the PZEV model. If you're trying to be conscious of the environment, sure it's "good." In an oversimplified sense, all the PZEV trim entails is some slightly different tuning, different cat set-up, and a badge.
Good in that it is good idea to buy that type of engine. It just happens to be what's in it, I am definitely not seeking it out. I hadn't heard about it before, so I wanted info from "the experts."
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Good in that it is good idea to buy that type of engine. It just happens to be what's in it, I am definitely not seeking it out. I hadn't heard about it before, so I wanted info from "the experts."
In that sense sure. I was in the same position with my 2008. The Forester I wanted just so happened to be a PZEV. I've had no negative experiences with it and consider my PZEV model very "good."
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