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Old 01-05-2012, 04:37 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I was looking around for diesel conversions and came across a guy that has been importing Subaru boxer diesels to Nashville, TN for various projects, including a swap into his VW Vanagon.

1. His Vanagon conversion
TheSamba.com :: View topic - Pastis, The Ultimate Subaru Boxer diesel EE20 Vanagon Syncro

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TheSamba.com :: VW Classifieds - NEW Subaru diesel engine EE20 NO ECU

3. He has a pretty cool engine modication kit called STiD
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DUUUU IIIIIITTTTTT! You would be the most popular guy on the forum if you did a diesel swap. I know they're popular for aircraft, airboats, and some other crazy things, but I haven't seen any put back into a Subaru in the US yet.
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oh man, I wish I could. Unfortunately, the realities of medical school/residency have me well occupied and poor.

However, I'd love to get my hands on one of those engines just for the hell of it. This is one of those projects that is more about the accomplishment rather than the cost, at least for the first time it's done.

If I got ahold of one, I would likely use my brother's approach to engine swaps. He's a bit of a gear head and has done all sorts of engine swaps for various reasons, including diesels into gassers. He usually takes one of his vehicles (usually a VW) that he already has registered and just swaps another engine into it in his spare time. No messing with the title, registration, emissions, or other headaches. He's done that for 20 years and has never had a problem with it (VW TDI into other cars, 5.9L Cummins into a Suburban, etc). I'm sure it's illegal, but no one ever looks under the hood if you live in an area without emissions testing.

I'd like to see someone else get hold of one of these motors and show us the build.
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SUBSCRIBED and my wheels are turning! I just e-mailed Boxeer to try and gather more information. Has anyone swapped an EE20 into an SG Forester? Besides the engine, exhaust, fuel system, and ECU...what else needs to be changed? Can the 5MT and OEM clutch from my NA handle the 258 ft. lbs.? So many questions, so excited! I want to do this!!!
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I still haven't found anyone that would import them in canada!
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150hp. what is the torque rating... should be over 200 easily.
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150hp. what is the torque rating... should be over 200 easily.
stock is 258 ft·lbf. Seems like it's common to increase that by about 30% with a simple remap. With a different turbo and a little tuning, these could be beastly.
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So what would you do for engine management and wiring harness? CANBUS I'm guessing?
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150hp. what is the torque rating... should be over 200 easily.
Oh yeah.... bigger Turbo and re-map like said before would be SWEET !!!
I bet the fuel mileage would be incredible too.
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Perhaps this version
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Yeah.... that sounds very nice indeed !!!
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After some preliminary research, I think it's just a pipe dream for now... And brand new EE20 goes for $6500, and I think he charges $8500 for the modded STiD. Assuming you would also need exhaust, HD clutch, ECU, and maybe a different gearbox... I would like to pick up a used one, but it will be a while before there are any lying around.

This reminds me of when I was shopping for a car after college. I really wanted a VW TDI wagon with 4motion and a MT...turns out they don't exist. AWD was important to me, which led me to the Forester I drive now. If only I could have a diesel!!!
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stock is 258 ft·lbf. Seems like it's common to increase that by about 30% with a simple remap. With a different turbo and a little tuning, these could be beastly.
If Subaru would just start selling the Diesel Forester in the US and Canada.... damn this makes me want them to sell it here even more.
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After some preliminary research, I think it's just a pipe dream for now... And brand new EE20 goes for $6500, and I think he charges $8500 for the modded STiD. Assuming you would also need exhaust, HD clutch, ECU, and maybe a different gearbox... I would like to pick up a used one, but it will be a while before there are any lying around.

This reminds me of when I was shopping for a car after college. I really wanted a VW TDI wagon with 4motion and a MT...turns out they don't exist. AWD was important to me, which led me to the Forester I drive now. If only I could have a diesel!!!
I agree, it would be expensive and purely a labor of love, similar to a home built monster truck, restoring a classic car, or any other project that is for personal satisfaction. There's no rational reason or economic benefit to attempting this. Much like hiking Mt. Everest, there's no demonstrable benefit to go up and back down a high mountain peak, but it's whether or not you can do it and being able to say that you did.

As far as the engines go, the unmodded engines are sold in that second link straight out of the crate from Japan for $6500, unless I'm missing something.
Transmissions, ECU's and other parts are sold on the parts page of Boxeer
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This is my first post here at the Forester forum and it probably is telling as to my pipe dream mentality...I would make a deal with the devil for a Forester diesel...are you listening mephistopheles? I wonder if an EE20 would fit in a older forester? So, engine, trans, exhaust, and the chip would all have to be changed out I suppose. Aaarrrggh.

I saw somewhere that Subaru believes the NA market is in love with hybrids so will focus on that for the US and leave the diesels for Europe. Boo:( Now, to me this is just lazy marketing, I mean, how hard is it to sell stuff people already want? A REAL marketing dept could create a campaign to sell people on the benefits of diesels here in NA...(throws down gauntlet at feet of lazy Subaru marketing managers...now go away before I taunt you a second time.)

Now, the mere possibility of a crazy conversion project is going to lead to sleepless nights & unproductive daydreaming at work....
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