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post #1 of 23 (permalink) Old 10-19-2010, 08:15 PM Thread Starter
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Wax Nightmare

HELP!!!

I decided to wax my '09 Forester this past weekend to prepare for winter.

I washed the Forester well, let it dry and cool down inside my garage, then proceeded to apply Mequiar's Cleaner Wax product using a application pad.

I now have swirl marks all over the previously perfect paint job. I'm so pissed. I don't understand what I did wrong since I've waxed several other cars in the past with no issues.

I'm now considering trying Mequiar's Swirl X to remove the marks.

Any recommendations are greatly appreciated.


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post #2 of 23 (permalink) Old 10-19-2010, 10:35 PM
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welcome to my world, i have a 2010 with the same color. and no matter how much i baby my paint job i have swirl marks EVERYWHEREEEEEE.

you learn to just ignore it
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I freaked out the first time as well and probably spent an extra half hour trying to hand buff the swirls. I have noticed that they fade a bit after a week or so.

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I have done the same thing with my 2001 Forester. Im really pissed about it I have found one product that helps to partly rmove the swirls, its Mothers California Gold Scratch Remover. After I washed the car then coated it with Meguiars Deep Crystal Wet Look Cleaner Wax as a protectant. I hand polished the WHOLE car with both products. It took hours but helped

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You used too much pressure on the applicator pad and probably let it get dirty. No matter how well you wash, it only takes a small amount of grit to get into the pad to cause issues. This is especially true for a cleaner wax that pulls stuff out of the clearcoat. This is why it's best to buy a bunch of applicator pads and switch them out just like you would with the polishing towels and use as little pressure as possible!

Contrary to what some people think, waxing should not cause swirls if done properly.
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Thanks for the tips guys. I'm going to try a scratch remover this evening, hopefully it will help.

I'll purchase several more applicator pads like Atomic1 recommended.

In retrospect, I do feel I probably used too much pressure.

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I did the same thing a while back, I think with the same product! Read closely, the cleaner wax ALSO contains a polish. Polish = abrasives meant to "sand" down a surface. You may have already known that but it took me two swirly hand wax jobs to realize what I was doing.

I now use a spray wax (with no polish) but I haven't yet completely removed the swirls (though the hologram effect went away after weeks as others noted). My plan is to get a decent buffer, use a light polish to smooth the surface out, and a good quality wax. After a good wash and clay bar, that is.

Good luck, and google for LOTS of info on waxing cars; and sites like autopia (I think that's it).

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I guess what I'm saying is that anything that has a true polishing effect smooths the surface out by removing enough of the top layer to even it out with the deeper scratches. The other option is filling in the swirls, which a swirl remover might do, depending on product.

I better shut up now, I'm way beyond my limited expertise!

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I'm not hand waxing this car... just wash and dry with cheap Turtle Wax "Wash and Wax." Calling it good. Maybe after a few years I'll try something.

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I usually take the PC to mine once a year to get rid of the swirls I make hand waxing the rest of the time..

I would use it everytime on a black car though..
probably the reason I'm not allowed to get a black one..

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You used too much pressure on the applicator pad and probably let it get dirty. No matter how well you wash, it only takes a small amount of grit to get into the pad to cause issues. This is especially true for a cleaner wax that pulls stuff out of the clearcoat. This is why it's best to buy a bunch of applicator pads and switch them out just like you would with the polishing towels and use as little pressure as possible!

Contrary to what some people think, waxing should not cause swirls if done properly.
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Clay Bar

This is the goto before any waxing. In between clay and wax, a cleaner-wax/polishing compound might be useful but really only for vehicles with dulled or oxidized paint surfaces.

Shampoo -> Clay Bar -> Polish (optional) -> Wax

For existing swirls or other superficial scratches, a professional detailer (make sure they're experienced especially with an orbital) will be able to buff them out of the clear coat. Anything deeper than the clear coat will require wet sanding, and then need to be resprayed with clear.
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SUBARU is well known SOFT PAINT

You really need to get a Dual Action Polisher ( not those $30 you can get from walmart...)

You can get rid of swirl marks by hand, but will take forever....

what kind of towel you use? microfiber or something else?

you can do CD scratch test to see if it is the towel causing all swirl marks

I will suggest Porter Cable (google autogeek)

you need:

Wash (two buckets with grit guards)

clay (optional)

polish (I use meguiar's swirlx with lake country white pad)

wax (I use meguiar's colorx with lake country black pad and second coat :NXT with lake country black pad)

or

If you get a dual aciton polisher, you can try meguiar's M105 and M205 (professional products)...or Ultimate Compound and SwirlX (consumer products)

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Every time I read the thread title I can't help but think of Nightmares on Wax.


Anyways... carry on.

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Thanks for all the tips guys!

I'm happy to report the swirls are considerably less noticeable after using Mequiar's SwirlX this evening. The main problem I had was a haze in several areas, the Mequiar's cut the haze away with no problem.

Now I'm completely gun-shy of waxing the Foz!!

Once again, thanks for all the tips.

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